Confronting the Gun Carnage in the US

No its not.
They all look guilty.
It's the 21st Century.
It's how I feel about it that counts as truthiness, guilt, near guilt of another.

 

Yes. You go after people who commit crimes with guns..

And prosecute people who try to buy guns illegally. We know who they are, they filled out paperwork handed it to an FFL dealer then it was turned over to the FBI.

 

Mixing gun death stats with the question of are people more inclined to kill others in certain states is odd.

Here are some interesting data points.
There are only two more killings with firearms per 100,000 in New Mexico (high on the OP list) than in California (low on the OP list). As others have pointed out, suicide is at play.

Also, Massachusetts and Washington are virtually identical in citizens killing one another.

I’ve not done a lot of study on justifiable homicide by state but I bet it would add another layer of complexity.

Finally, I postulate there is more variation inside states than between states in all these metrics so using states is a bit of a cop out. Especially considering the areas of states that have the most firearm crime have stricter controls on firearms than the rest of the state.

I’m beginning to tire of the use of irrelevant (too broad) statistics to try and prove a point. It’s just like proving shark attacks are caused by ice cream consumption.

As the OP suggests, we need less emotion but we also need more critical thought.

 

Cities vs rural areas would be an interesting comparison.

 

If that is what you need to believe, so be it.

 

Not just suicides, but limiting it to gun deaths. You'd think that a murder is a murder, but for some strange perverse reason, they always try to limit these things to gun deaths, as if a dead guy killed by a gun is somehow deader than a guy who was killed with a knife.

I don't know, but if it was me sitting there laid out in the morgue with a tag on my toe, I wouldn't really care too much about how I got there. Maybe guns are the quicker way to die, and if I've got to die either in the next second or the next hour, I'd rather just get it over with as quickly as possible.

What's the average time of death between a gun and a knife wound?

 

I am not "trying to make a case."

I am noting the much higher rate of firearm fatalities per capita in some states than others, pertinent data for analysis for anyone hoping for a lower rate of firearm fatalities.
Surely, the states with the highest rates would prefer to be among the lowest ones, and studying the factors that account for the disparity is appropriate.

 

Obviously more firearms result in more firearm deaths just like more automobiles result in more automobile deaths. That is the way of the world The question is whether they are worth the price.

I have mentioned umpteen times. We live in a isolated area where we cannot count on law enforcement. We also get a number of strangers at our door because of our location. My wife and I are octogenarians and would feel defenseless without arms. Guarantee my safety and we will give up our firearms. As it is, it is worth the price because us giving up a weapon will not save a single person, but might result in our death.

 

Alaska is also an anomaly in cost of living - along with Hawaii, although the two are at opposite ends of the spectrum in firearm fatalities.

 

No, actually. Nowhere in the Constitution is permissiveness endorsed. All rights are circumscribed.

 

You're still skating over that whole dead is dead thing.

Why do you care if it's because of a gun? You're still dead, right?

 

Damn typos last line should be African Americans by state.

 

Where the hell did you get this? Rights are not circumscribed. If you knew anything about the constitution, you would know that we are born with rights, and unless the federal government has been given the authority to restrict something, then you'd be able to point out where in the constitution this power has been enumerated.

States can get around this, but the federal government has certain powers granted to it by the constitution. Nothing in there about "circumscribed" or "permisiveness endorsed".

In other words, you've got it all bassackwards. Try reading the federalist papers to get an idea of how the federal government was sold to the various states to see why you are wrong.

 

" shall not be infringed "

 

1. The world doesn't revolve around mass shootings

2. Every time someone buys a gun they have to fill out paperwork for a background check. That paperwork goes to the FBI.
If a person who isn't supposed to have access to guns tries to buy one the FBI knows about it. Yet the FBI never pursues these people.

 

So what are Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New York doing right?

 

still refusing to explain why gun deaths are somehow more important than death by airplane or kitchen knife.

Why focus on gun deaths, which includes suicides, and nobody cares if somebody decides to take their own life.

It's like... why bother with this nonsense? You know we don't care about suicides or how people end up being murdered. yet, still... is this some weird mental lefty loop you're stuck in where you just spew meaningless data to people who have already explained why your data is meaningless?

 

ONLY 11,000

If this were a communicable disease would there be this level of ennui?

 

You did not answer the question

Whataboutisms are irrelevant

 

whataboutisms are very relevant when gun grabbers start talking about how legislation will help when they can't point to proposed legislation already passed at the state level that has helped.

It's evidence that says your idea doesn't work, so go away.

 

If we want to live in a free country, yes, we have to live with it. What is clear in that regard is that over the last 20 years whatever we are doing as a society in screwing up boys and young men.


Yes, the paperwork is done at every sale that goes through an FFL that is to say anyone who sells guns for a living. The only way around it is to buy private party, even then lots of locations are requiring private sales be transferred through an FFL.
I'm not sure how long it takes when i bought my rifle I sent in all my information in advance and he did the background check days before i came to his shop.
A background check looks for previous felonies, domestic violence or people who have been hospitalized for mental illness.

 

1.25 million die in car crashes annually.

Almost 3300 per day.