Confronting the Gun Carnage in the US

I'd like to see thoes numbers adjusted for violence imported from south of our border via the illegal drug trade and gang violence used to distribute those drugs.

 

That's one of the many reasons I feel like it's flawed to compare the US to European & other countries who do not have such violent southern neighbors.

 

Your diversion fails. The topic is gun carnage in the US that, while far surpassing that of all other advanced nations, varies widely among states - Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Oklahoma at one end of the spectrum, and Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Hawaii, and Connecticut at the other.

 

You have offered no studies or surveys.

Again,

If you are interested why Canada has a much lower rate of firearm fatalities than does the US this may be helpful.

 

Why is their suicide rate similar to ours? it is simple, they just choose a different method. Like I said, if I was going to commit suicide, I would pick a gun because I am more apt to be successful rather than a vegetable. If I thought I needed to commit suicide and a gun was not available, I would study up on other methods so I do not botch the job.

 

Yep. And after implementation of these laws, the rate of Hawaiians killing each other continued to follow the same trends as the rest of the country. It appears people in different states do differ in propensity to kill others, despite the attempt to attribute it to chunks of steel. Thanks for admitting the problem is people, not guns. Let’s start working on reducing people’s desire to kill one another.

 

If something happens to me or someone I love, I'm not going to demand other people's rights to be take away.

Who makes that determination?

We already have left-wingers declaring gun owners like me and the organizations that I belong to (NRA) as an "Domestic Terrorist Organization".

Frick that crap!

 

I think we have to admit that we care very little about what you have said... sort if like how we used to care very little about the carnage of drunk driving. Maybe that will change, but not in my lifetime i think

 

Yes there is reason to question the gun deaths.

Here, I'll state it again.

Japan has very strict gun laws. Stricter than the U.S. (Federal/State), yet Japan has a higher suicide rate.

People who want to kill themselves will find a way to kill themselves with or without guns.

 

Less than 0.01% of the U.S. population dies from guns.

There is no crisis.

 

Well, I live in Maine. Maine has lots and lots of guns in it. Yet we are no 42? That should tell you guns are not the issue. It is criminal culture and mental health. That is what we need to crack down on, not on gun control.

 

I'm more optimistic. Whilst some are hellbent upon maintaining the pre-eminence of the US in firearm fatalities among all advanced nations and perpetuating the tragic status quo, most Americans consistently support reasonable measures to address the enabling permissiveness.

As a democratic imperative, elected representatives cannot persist in defying the electorate and pandering to a political lobby, particularly one that is immersed in its scandals. Progress has already begun on the state level, and the gross disparity among states that I posted provides both successful and unsuccessful paradigms for the nation to emulate.

It won't happen soon but, like the surge in support for ending gender discrimination in marriage contracts, it may well be sooner than many expect.

 

Criminals and individuals with mental health problems are as much a factor in all advanced nations. Alienated young males who play violent video games are ubiquitous as well. In the US's maintaining a huge lead in firearm fatalities, it must be honestly acknowledged that firearm permissiveness is not a factor in other advanced nations.

Maine just happens to be the best state in the union.

 

We shall see
But, there are several important points that distinguish this issue from some other similar issue of unjustified national carnage... and lets use drunk driving as a comparable example

—-This is an issue that has become highly polarized and politicized.
——There are people who get a huge political win every time this issue is raised
——-There are very strong lobbying orgs that will not let go of this issue
——There are lots of voters who consider this issue to be a personal threat to them, and to the country. In fact, i think it is not an exaggeration to say that supporters of gun right viscerally hate, and have seething contempt for gun control advocates
—— Frankly, gun rights advocate do not see the problem.... and will not see the problem. They see “the problem” as being that people are trying to infringe on their constitutional freedoms... their rights to defend themselves, and the founders farsighted intention to make it impossible for a tyrannical government to endure the wrath of an outraged citizenry.

 

Way to fabricate information about your political enemies.

1. Gun rights advocates don't hate gun contol advocates
2. The problem is actually that you are trying to take out rights. Without addressing the crime problem at all.

It's a people problem not a tool problem.

 

Yet, popular support for reasonable measures to reduce the US firearm slaughter is considerable (See http://pollingreport.com/guns.htm) and changing demographics favor progress.

 

We will have to repeal part of the Constitution in order to go ahead with red flag laws. You cannot be denied the right to life liberty or property without due process of law.

I think red flag laws are moving into some very dangerous territory that is if they're not smacked down by the Supreme Court which they probably will be. because again you have the right to due process of law.

 

That you have posted it before is not proof of the allegation.

 

Yes. I don't base my decisions on emotions or knee jerk reactions. You should try the same.

NO!!!

Red Flag laws assumes the person is guilty and then that person has to prove their innocence.

That's not how our justice system works in this country.

We have this thing in this country called due process.

One is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

Don't you think there are far bigger and more easily dealt with problems that need priority?