Congressman prescribes ivermectin

Further conspiracy and I am still waiting for that link to the dosage of ivermectin for Covid

 

I did not say it was exclusive just that that is where it is commonly taught - and you still have NOT backed YOUR claims on “ivermectin shows promise” the links to that research seems oddly missing.

Question were those studies in vitro or in vivo?

 

Not sure what you mean by “commensense” ? The left’s “understanding of the written word” admittedly doesn’t think that way. We prefer to use the phrase “common sense”.

The only thing the right seems to be saying when it comes to COVID and treatments is, we should trust the opinions of the 2% of the uneducated or maybe philosophers and not the 98% of the educated experts with advanced degrees at the 171 medical research facilities and accredited participating hospitals across the United States.

Still haven’t figured where you stand on “degrees” when it comes to treating illnesses. I go to certified doctors with doctorate degrees in their chosen fields for advice. Who do you get your ivermectin scripts from ? By your post in speaking for the right, that seems to lack “commensense” on our part.

If I fall and break a hip or come down with COVID, I’m going to a real medical doctor educated at a real medical school and not Trump U. Where do you go to get treatment ? That’s just a common sense question we need answers to.

 

You might find it in a doctor of veterinarian treatment manual. But even they have advanced degrees. Guess that’s not acceptable either.

 

Not really. If we can’t agree on what senility actually is, this discussion goes no where and calling me “ pathetic” is just a way of hiding your own failures.

 

https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/rmv.2265

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750021000445

You could find articles that showed promise in covid treatment, just like you found articles showing ivermectin promising for Cancer treatment. If you were interested. But its turned political...

 

Had no idea what loading a semi meant. The last time I loaded one I used a LOADER, another piece of hydraulically operated heavy equipment used by all the old farts. “Try again boy.”

 

I know many people who laugh and thumb their nose at the FDA, Fauci, Biden and so many more.

There are many like you who bow in submission to the FDA, Fauci and Biden. They've likely never read the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence. They do as they are told by career bureaucrats and do not ask questions.

 

Ha ha
I know people too. Obviously you weren’t referring to pilots, doctors and anyone whose responsibilities comes under the authority of the guidelines of these agencies. I personally don’t give a flying Fuch about the “People” you refer to when I either fly of go to for medical treatment. So, when you fly or go for medical treatment. So who do you go to ? The same as me or your “people” who thumb their nose at these agencies. So really, the post is bluster and non reality.

 

I think these righties have the idea that Dems or liberals or socialists or whomever are against ivermectin. Geesus, we’d take tinsel sht if it were tested, approved and certified by the CDC and supporting cast of medical research facilities and hospitals and doctors.

So when it happens, I’ll be the first in line for tinsel sht.
Meanwhile, they all tend to go to the same doctors as we do...with their Medicare cards in hand.

 

let us start with this one - I gather you did do a critical analysis or at least googled up the study itself? When I am online I like to check out how good the journal it is published in is. It can be difficult to determine that since not all journals publish their peer review process abut a rough way of looking at journals is to check out the “impact factor” which calculates citations and therefore how much influence the journal has in its field - it is far from perfect but it gives some guidance. The impact factor of this journal is
The impact factor (IF) 2020 of American Journal of Therapeutics is 2.688, which is computed in 2021 as per it's definition.
SCImago Journal Rank (SJR): 0.349
Impact Factor: 2.688 (2020)
Impact Score: 0.6

for a comparison here is NEJM

NEJM is cited more often in scientific literature than any other medical journal, and has the highest Journal Impact Factor (91.245) of all general medical journals (2020 Journal Impact Factor, Journal Citation Reports, Clarivate, 2021). NEJM is a Public Access journal.

Now since it is a meta analysis the “usual rules” don’t quite apply and I am feeling lazy tonight so I will just quote another source

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/30/what-know-about-pro-ivermectin-groups-study-toutin/

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I have to confess that I knew these studies had been debunked and at least one withdrawn thanks to the postings of Centrefield

Once again I think I have proven that I am “interested” in finding good, solid research but what is on offer is far from that
Your second study suffers from the some of the same issues as the first and they acknowledge this

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/rmv.2265

And in fact the conclusion states that although it shows promise more RCTs are needed and that it’s with the FDA who are recommending that it should be confined to trials ipuntil we have finalised the research

Here is a BMJ summary of the research so far

https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678
And here is the post by Centerfield
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...in-are-flawed-fake-and-even-retracted.593314/

 

It’s not political. It’s far from it. If it was political with agencies like the cdc these agencies would t be disagreeing* with Trump when he was in office.

 

What really really get up my nose is that the vaccines have had waaaay more research done on them than this twaddle

 

Real medical doctors aren't as cookie cutter as you think. Their goal is often to treat the patient using known knowledge, studies, and yes...common sense. I know two people who had a bad case of Covid and their doctors perscribed hydroxychloroquine. The patients felt it turned things around. Did it really? Of course that is up in the air. But I wouldn't assume that medical doctors are swayed by " learned" elitists that ignorantly scoff that ivermectin is "for animals and humans aren't animals". They know better. They know Ivermectin is being studied for many uses. Or that hydroxychloroquine shows no benefits. They know that studies have shown different and they choose to ignore the political bias.

 

I don’t give a sht about the 2% who don’t actually treat anyone in a hospital setting. Where do you go for healthcare ?

Nope.
Let’s get one thing straight. It’s the medical research facilities and hospitals as institutions that make the final decisions by the evidence they supply not 2% of the tripe peddlers.

 

btw, there are trials going on all the time. You can take your drug for COVID many places by participating in a trial...and signing on the dotted line.

 

Exactly. Officially anyone who got the early shots were still part of trials. We all are now. Absolutes have no place in medical science. It’s scary listening to the right talk about their version of science under the control 2% of the least educated and…….white.

 

No - there is a thing called “Evidence Based Practice” which means you had better learn how to read and critically analyse research. There are whole medical sites dedicated to EBP such as the Cochrane database, BMJ, DYNAMED etc etc etc

Many you have to belong to a library to access, I am lucky I have free access through my state health department

This is a not for profit site with good information

https://www.nps.org.au/

https://www.nps.org.au/news/ivermectin-and-covid-19-for-hps

 

That would be a great point if their hospitals were being over run and their death counts were through the roof.

 

Good boy, you get a pat on the head. The thing is, see, no one has argued that it IS an fda approved drug. Soooo the only thing I can take from your line of argumentation is that you think a drug cannot be effective unless it's approved by the FDA. IS that your position? If so, just say it so I can skip over your drivel.

 

I think it's safe to say that we do know what the safe dose is for humans. What we don't know is if it is effective for cv19 treatment is the dose lower than the safety threshold. All good questions that should be answered with proper studies. Until then it seems to me that there is enough evidence to at least consider prescribing a safe human dose, especially for high risk individuals that become infected.

 

Ah yes many times while you were sleeping. It is fda approved for worm infections. Even when we hand you a softball, you dropped it.

For the umpteenth time, it’s not approved by the fda for covid. How is that so hard to understand. The fda takes studies from umpteenth participating hospitals and the results have yet to reach a consensus state FOR COVID.
If or when they do fine. Until then, it’s NOT. Personally, I don’t care other then, I’m not taking the sht till then. Deniers try to make this about the FDA. They use studies from hundreds of sources and the best medical research facilities and participating hospitals in the world. I have nothing more to say.

Deniers are just arguing because they are allowed to.

 

By people who don’t get their shots….like over 90% are unvaccinated.

 

Exactly WHICH "studies" say that about hydroxychloroquine?

Feel free to provide links to back up that claim.

 

Here is one of the most published doctor's in the World on the subject. Can't wait to hear your response.