Congressman Steve Scalise Shot. Fake News to Blame

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Because my very limited reading of the descriptions of the person said at one point or another that they thought of themselves as conservatives, and this is how I determine what someone's personal political leanings are.

    Are you trying to argue that all leftists are now dangerous political terrorists because one was a nut?
     
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    I believe all of them are bullshit. You made the assertions, you must support them with evidence and citations to convince me otherwise. Be careful not to use propaganda outlets and opinion pieces for your citations.
     
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    I already listed some of the facts. Tell me which are bullsht. I won't be giving you any dissertations. They are pretty obvious to anyone
    who takes a neutral stand. Apparently, your mind is made up, so I won't confuse
    you with the facts.
     
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    I have already told you which ones I believe are bullshit. You have made baseless allegations that you cannot or will not support. Good enough. No need to continue.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    They are well founded. Just read some of my previous posts, and you will get an earful. I am a lifelong republican, and this guy is
    an embarrassment to our party. Try being an American first and a Trump supporter second.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not a "Trump supporter", or a republican. Being an American first means supporting our President. There is no good being done for our country in trying to tear him down.
     
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    Is Bernie not Left ? If you blamed "the left" and Bernie is part of that group then you blamed Bernie.
     
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    As I thought: You cannot honestly argue I am wrong.
     
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    I don't see you telling me how I am wrong.
    Could it be because you know I am not?
     
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    Being an American does not mean that you blindly support the President when he or she goes 'tilt'. Trump is tearing himself down all by himself. Trump cannot be allowed to ignore and abuse the checks and balance system that this country enjoys, or we will be no better
    than a third world dictatorship.
     
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    More supposition and unsupported nonsense. There is no good being done for our country in trying to tear him down.
     
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    Were we any better from 2009 to 2017 in becoming a third world dictatorship? Wasn't the former president who violated the Constitution and abused the checks and balances with his pen and phone.
     
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    NO.
     
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    He is his own worst enemy and is tearing himself down. And I agree with you that he is doing nothing good for our country.
    I am not going to repeat my posts, which are rolling in supported facts. How can you possibly think that Trump acts in a rational way?
    He is unqualified to govern.
     
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    No. To do so would be to argue from the specific to the general--which is a logical fallacy.

    But I do think that such utter hatred toward Republicans, conservatives--and especially Donald Trump--has been spewed, as of late, that it has created an atmosphere in which some on the edge of mental illness now believe that violent action is needed to "save the republic"; and that the end, therefore, justifies the means.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Cannot argue WHAT? You made no assertion, just simply said I couldn't assert what I then did "with a straight face" Well I can, and I did, now it's your turn.
     
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    The Facebook feed of this terrorist looks pretty standard for any Bernie Bro. I have friends whose look like this. Of course it's crazy to say ALL humans, of any ilk, are likely to commit terrorism. But the way that this man's cuckoo ideology is completely and 100% MAIN STREAM on the left, is what is scary. When everyone who thinks differently from you is evil, and everyone who thinks like you is calling for violence, how much more incentive do troubled people in a nation with half a billion guns really need?

    The proof that the left has completely gone over the edge, is that this story wasn't even the lead story during prime time on the same day! I don't know of a single terrorist attack on US soil, that didn't even get the lead story for the rest of that day. What was the lead instead? Anonymous leak #23452454235 about Trump, for a case we already know he is not guilty of, factually cannot be prosecuted for, and factually cannot be impeached over, given who controls Congress.
     
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    So now anyone who disagrees with Trump is a terrorist?
     
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    Anyone who thinks that Trump somehow commited treason (punishable by death) by colluding with Russia and argue that he is not a legitimate. And truly believe those things. That Trump will somehow destroy the country. Anyone who believe those things strongly enough might be inclined to do something about it. Sane or not. Especially while the leaders of the Democratic party are calling for resistance.

    Dems talk about Trump like he's Hitler. And they have compared Trump to him many times. Wouldn't you try to kill Hitler and his party? I know I would.
     
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    Specifically what fake news stories led to that man to commit the shootings?
     
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    Learn to read, bro. From my post you quoted: "Of course it's crazy to say ALL humans, of any ilk, are likely to commit terrorism."

     
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    The fact you believe the left, and especially the media, would not make sure everyone, everywhere, at all times, knew the political leanings of a Trump supporter that shot up a number of Democrats -because- they are Democrats says more than enough.
    Thank you
     
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    Being an American first does not mean supporting our president if he is unqualified to govern and exhibits erratic behavior.
    I guess you supported Obama, no?
     
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    I voted for Obama in 08. Mainly because McCain/Palin was... well... unpalatable. Especially after 8 years of GWB's cowboy foreign policy antics.

    Supporting our president does not mean you must agree with his policy. I certainly didn't agree with pretty much anything Obama did, and I was vocal about my disagreement. But I never tried to delegitimize his presidency. I never worked to get him removed from office. I certainly didn't feel the urge to shoot up a democrat baseball game, or behead him in effigy.

    Opposing those policies that you disagree with, on the battlefield of ideas, is what the opposition is supposed to do... That's what being patriotic means. Trying to get him tossed out of office on some made up horseshit is just anti-American.

    And, making up horseshit that undermines the people's confidence in the electoral process is the most dangerous thing anyone can do, politically. It has the potential to drive people to take up arms, and to shoot congressmen. Nobody wants that. Nobody gains from that. It was stupid for Trump to suggest the election was rigged, it was REALLY stupid for the democrats to embark on this "Russia hacked the election" fishing expedition in the public arena. But, it was SUPER stupid for democrats to actually try to rig the election, because that is what ultimately brought them down, and their attempted rigging of the election has tainted, and will call into question, every election going forward. Bad for America.

    Our founders were brilliant men who designed our system to be able to be run by imbeciles (witness pretty much everyone on capitol hill), without danger of them bringing the system down. Our last three POTUS picks have confirmed, in my mind at least, that for as long as the pendulum continues to swing, our republic will be just fine, regardless of who is in the driver seat. I will oppose policy that I disagree with, but I will support our president regardless of what color his party flag is.
     
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