Conte Gives EU 10 Days For Support - Or European Project Is Over

Bravo! An excellent post. The propaganda machines were working full time to present Greeks as being lazy, even though they worked more hours than any country in the EU so Germany could cover up what it was doing. Had Greece been able to declare bankruptcy like Iceland - (which Iceland was able to do because it had the support of the Scandinavian countries), Greece would have recovered in two years.

Instead thanks to the EU, it is still suffering, and most of its highly educated young people are now in Australia. The EU and George Soros of course, now want to repopulate Greece with Muslims so they can go under Islam once again. Brilliant! Their secularist hatred of Christianity and not Islam, never ceases to amaze me.

Germany did not lose one penny because of Greece, it gained money from the interest and whatever was left over went back to Germany to buy arms because of the Turkish threat. Yet the German tax payers were made to believe they were being generous and supporting the lazy Greeks, when the Greek people did not receive one penny to relieve them of their hardship.

The same thing could be said of Ukraine. Every penny of the IMF loans given it has been going either into the pockets of the oligarchs, or into the military. Not a penny went to relieve the people of their hardships.

Recently Veroufakis released the transcripts showing how he was being bullied by the EU. They wouldn't allow everything being said to be recorded though. Now they want Italy to destroy itself and accept austerity through loans, rather than take out Eurobonds. I think the European project has ended. Enough is enough!

 

What a load of BS.
Iceland never went bankrupted and Iceland was in 2009 not a member of the EU.

Were do you come up with that crap?

 

The German constitution forbids Eurobonds therefore Merkel offered money though the ESM but Italy wants external money without external control.

The median wealth per adult in $ in Italy is 91,889 and in Germany it is 35,313.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth_in_Europe

Get your work done and you don't have to beg for money.

 

My mother was born on the island of Chios, and my father in the Morea. I was going to Greece from the time the civil war ended until 2010. My son in law attended Athens College, and they were living in Kefalari for a while, and my grandchildren were flying back and forth for years - so I think I know Greece well and the Greeks well.

I know that every culture has its own standards, so why do you feel that Germany's standards are superior and therefore should be imposed on everyone else? Is this what the EU was meant to be, a mimicry of the Germans and their superior standards? I thought that ended with WWII?

Now I'm not going to deny the Germans their ethics, something even the Romans noticed, but with it comes an intolerance and cruelty towards anyone that deviates from it - yet they imagine themselves humane? By whose standards are they humane other than their own?

Let's look at it this way. The Greeks are as flexible in their thoughts and culture, (which is reflected in their language), as the Germans are inflexible - and thank God for that. Without it you wouldn't have anything that exists today - and that includes Christianity, Saint Paul and the belief that love emanating from human hearts, supersedes all laws.

Now Germany wants to also destroy Italy, the country that brought that brilliance into Europe. Oh well, that's what arrogance does, it stifles reasoning and logic.

GERMAN GODS
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Take that you fools of misery.
for we as gods of lofty See
will never care for history.

For knowest you that we are wise,
and why we gainest what we prize,

so we can stand above you all,
and tower over big and small,
for 'god's' you know can never fall.

Oh yeah! - Jeannette

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I never said Iceland was a member of the EU, so stop misquoting me. I said that Iceland was able to recover because it had the support of the Scandinavian countries.

"...The German newspaper "Spiegel" reported on the issue of national bankruptcies in 2008, after the island nation of Iceland neared insolvency. When a country can no longer pay the interest on its debt or convince anyone to lend it money, it has reached bankruptcy..."

I know the median wealth is higher in Italy and all the Mediterranean countries because they are individually oriented, not community minded. Since their own way of life and standards are not being respected, never the less tolerated, they should leave the EU - I agree.

 

I would have to see figures for myself on who funded what. And I am sure a lot of
vested interests funded the stay campaign.
But it's not the point. You can't reduce an argument to who funded what - the fact
is that many British wanted out.
And if I was Johnston I would offer Scotland independence - on the understanding
that the Scottish islands get their independence from Scotland.

 

Northern Italy doesn't want to pay for southern Italy but Germans are the bad guys because they don't want to pay for both? Corruption and nepotism isn't needed to be respected, the other aspects of the Italian way of life are loved by most Germans.

 

Germany has never had any intention to "destroy" Greece. Btw, Greece is doing considerably better than it did seven or eight years ago, so that little fact alone should be counterproof enough. Both countries, Greece and Italy, have been suffering from enormous corruption (as well as ineffective bureucracy and a lack of political reforms), and, unfortunately, haven't really been able to get it under control. This has zero to do with "way of life not respected." Nonsense like this makes you wonder why some people are so absurdly out of touch with reality. It also makes you wonder why some people seriously think they can stereotype entire nations in one adjective.
European leaders will have to find a compromise in the next couple of weeks. Italian politicians wrote an open letter and criticized in particular the Dutch government for their tax policies saying it's responsible for a drop in tax revenue in Italy. There's no doubt in my mind that Italy, as well as Spain, need help, but I for one don't think Conte will be able to get what he demands.

 

What's Conte going to do after his 10 days are up, leave the EU? lol
Leaving the EU doesn't work like that; also, he wishes the EU was over, but this is a wake up call for Italy.

 

Well, the EU wanted Greece to cut down on civil servants, so that's what you get I guess?

 

Yes!

It should be a wake up call for Germany. The Italian people are fed up.

 

Take it from a Brit who just Brexited, you can't leave the EU just because you fall out with it; you have to have a referendum, then vote leave has to win, and then someone from Italy has to go to Brussels with a letter to trigger Article 50 and the EU must also recognise and accept this and then a whole bunch of waiting has to be done to work out what happens so they can leave; Italy are powerless to do anything once the 10 days is up unless after day 10 they start work on an EU referendum, but Italy has more things to worry about with the reality of the boat they're in that they have to prioritize themselves.

 

I'm sure the Italian government is looking into it, they have no choice. As I said, the Italian people are fed up and they might end up in a civil war otherwise. Conte did make one big mistake though, he should have quarantined only the North of Italy and not the whole country. Too late now!

 

The EU is a backwards mud puddle, and there is no way on Earth their delusions of EU wide grandeur can save them.
Look at Germany; look at the EU; Germany are only helping Germans, and that's how it is.

 

Germany's the bad guy not because they did anything intentionally, but because of the natural tendency people have in putting their own welfare before others. Germany being the powerhouse gained of course - and the other's lost. But that was not the way the EU was supposed to work.

In the US, in order to equalize the power between the larger and wealthier states, and the smaller poorer ones, they gave each state the same amount of Senators - while in the House, they made the amount of representatives proportionate to the population of each State.

As for Nepotism, it will always exist because of familial relations in the Mediterranean countries which is very strong, and the element of trust between them. Do you really think it's more harmful to people's welfare than governments submitting to power structures such as lobbyists, bankers and corporations? I don't think so.

 

You can repeat your russian anti EU propaganda as often as you want but it's still not true.

You should inform yourself about the EU than you would not have to emberass yourself writing nonsense.

You don't have to think about it it's evident that nepotism harms societies severe.

 

How many ICU corona patients from other countries are treated in the UK? Germany has more than 130 Italian and French patients flown out to German hospitals and they will block 130 ventilators for weeks. The same ventilators the whole world is desperate to have. Germany sends medical supplies to Italy while our own doctors don't have enough supplies to be secure while working. How many masks did the UK send to Italy?

 

I believe the email was conveniently missed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...-email-covid19-boris-johnson-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

Also, Brexit, we're not in the EU anymore.
If countries in the EU don't want to help Italy out, that's on countries in the EU.

You all sneered at Brexit, now all you EU countries have borders put up thinking of yourselves when push came to shove; oh the irony.

 

Look, I really don't know much about the EU other than what I know from Nigel Farage, and Sahra Weggernacht in the video below. I tend to agree with them both.

Anyway none of this matters, all that matters is what the end result will be - so we will just have to wait and see. As for me, I did sense the end of the EU in 2012, and because of that I discouraged my grandson from accepting a top notch position in London.

 

That was a Spiegel opinion piece.
If Italy leaves the EU, who do you think will pay its debt ?
Russia ?
China ?

LOL,
Without the EU Italy will be finished.

 

So you have been running with information from those 2 idiots and never made the effort to really educate yourself ?

Outstanding.

 

Your still part of Europe, aren't you? The corona crisis will change the worldwide trade significant and being member of a trade bloc will be far more important than in the last decades.

 

LOL, the EU is your problem, not ours, we're in Europe, but we're not in the EU.
Being a member of a bloc is important to Italy, and look how that's turning out; no, being free of obligations from the EU and Brexit is more important than being in a bloc.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...it-UK-EU-coronavirus-crisis-China-latest-news

 

Not true. Why not educate yourself first.

Is neither an excuse or justification to post lies which is what you did.