Coronavirus in America

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the Guardian: Coronavirus in America - why the US has struggled to tackle a growing crisis - excerpt:

    'Nuff said? Nope ... !

    *Which is a damn fine reason for establishing a National Healthcare System that might have been prepared for the calamity that is about to happen.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why should anyone care what a bunch of foreign hacks say about the US?
     
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    How's that national healthcare system working out for Italy?
     
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    I am in no way against a better Healthcare system but fighting something so small you can't see it ... but so large it can occupy a continent is not easy. As long as people move around pandemic diseases are a possibility.
     
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    Yet, the UK NHS was not better prepared either--neither was the slightly different German system.
     
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    We don't need a nationalized healthcare system, and this virus is no reason to implement one.

    We just need to do the right thing now to slow the spread as much as possible, learn from our mistakes, and be better prepared next time. There will be a next time.
     
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    Granny says dey need to use more manners...

    ... like stoppin' scratchin' dey's butts...

    ... an' quit pickin' dey's noses!
     
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    There will be a "next time" as long as we don't enforce(and by we, I mean the UN, etc) the closing down of those freaking wetmarkets. It's absolutely irresponsible of the Chinese to have enabled the conditions twice in nearly two decades for a man made disease.
     
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    I heard a claim that they had (which I doubt), but come to find out, they're not the only ones in Asia who're into that sort of thing.

     
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    Sure and we do it here in the US too, and many other countries do too...
     
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    Anyone still comparing the seafood market to that thing in China, has no idea about our FDA and regulatory food standards. There is a REASON the two Coronaviruses came from China.
     
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    Oh I am very familiar with the FDA and regulatory processes, and even have friends in FDA research and inspection departments. I am not letting China off the hook, but here in the US we get huge sweeps of infections due to our own lax standards at times too...
     
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    DOTS ON A MAP

    Who was "prepared"? Nobody. And yet, there was the SARS invasion of China in 2002 that was precursor. (See the WHO-distribution of Death Rate by country here. Total 8096)

    And yet, most countries (including the originating China) were totally unprepared for Covid-19. They even dithered as the toll mounted early on in January ...

    Anyone who cannot believe this world is "integrated" has their head way down in a well.

    Country Boundaries are just dots on a map ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    POLITICAL CHICANERY

    Americans think True Freedom is the ability to move around. Which makes one wonder why some get so up-tight with the fact that the statewise "Electoral College" is a deeply unfair manner in which to elect a PotUS.

    A country is not just state-designations on a map. It is a common mentality that should persist. Ours in the US is a dual mentality (Center and Far Right). The middle migrates between the two and decides who wins. (Which is most likely the reason that nothing gets done, and Income Disparity* is the developed world's worst in the US.)

    We Yanks could elect a Black to be PotUS, but not a Woman - which aptly sums-up political mentalities in the US. Last time around a woman won the popular-vote but not the White House - because of a chicanery called the "Electoral College" This has happened Five-Times in history because, as a people, we never got around to fixing the error that goes back to 1812 and the 12th Amendment.

    *Definition:
     
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    Exactly!

    If you are blind and dumb ...
     
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    Yep, ‘Nuff said. A 10% mortality rate is a good goal. You’re more than welcome to travel to Italy and depend on that top 10 healthcare system.
    Overview of Italian Healthcare
    Italy ranks among the World Health Organization’s top 10 countries for quality health services (by contrast, the U.S. only holds 37th place, despite being the highest spender).

    But Italy ranks #1 in the world for Coronavirus deaths.
     
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    You are correct. The USDA has inspectors 24/7 at most of the major food processing locations. Producing a billion meals a day every day of the week the US is awesome at preventing food bacteria.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so? Make a point of your statement!

    Besides, unlike you, I have a National Healthcare Service. It costs me 20€ (about the same in $) see a doctor (which is reimbursed to me). It costs YOU (if in the US) $200 - out of pocket!

    Guns or Butter?* What do you want?

    *
     
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    What exactly are we supposed to learn from them? How to be a failed empire?
     
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    Taxes by source
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    In 2007, revenues amounted to €818.9 bn, or 43% of GDP.

    Holy crap!!! France’s tax revenue is 43% of the GDP? Your healthcare is nowhere close to being free. I don’t know if it’s your income, sales, property or any other tax, but 43% of your GDP is friggin insane. US tax revenue is equal to about 20% of our GDP. If the tax revenue in the US was 43% of our GDP then not only would everyone have free healthcare but a brand new govt paid home as well. The US budget would be $10 trillion a year. I’ll keep paying my monthly insurance premium instead of a taxation system like France. You pay a hell of a lot more than 20€ to see a doctor. Probably closer to 2000€.
     
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    Those scoffers, in red America, assumed to be safe in their rural strongholds, will learn soon. The hunkered down folks in cities, will pass the hot period, and those in rural America will wail and knash their teeth, for help. As they passed the virus will nilly. And, they don't have the resourses, nor the capacity to treat.
     
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    And yet in this case we are discussing a virus and not bacteria. Let's not forget the H1N1 breakout we had here that originated in the US, mad cow disease from prions, and Trump's laxing of meat inspection laws.
     
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    The globe is certainly integrated. China was dishonest about the severity of the breakout. However, they did quarantine fast and built a major hospital. My original point was national healthcare systems fare no better.
     
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    People in rural areas will fare much better. It's epidemiology 101, dense populations will always get hit harder. Social isolation is the best defense, and it's much, much harder to isolate when people are packed together in clusters in big cities.
    Sorry, your fantasies of a rural retribution reckoning just aren't going to become reality.

    Science says so.
     
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    It is Simply a matter of time. Count on it. Otherwise, it never would have reached Iceland.
     
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