Coronavirus is ‘existential threat’ to Trump reelection: GOP insiders

HEADLINE; Trump suspends China-US flights, PROBLEM SOLVED!

 

The dems actions was a hoax. It still is. Because you all are ignoring the reality of what has happened.

that group wasn’t started until Ebola was well underway and first lead by a dnc policies operative. Trump did not close it, it was reorganized, in light of the fact the CDC created a global health team because of the Obama/ Biden admins failures

 

We are not yet feeling the effects of the economic crisis.

Voters never forgive the incumbent President for a recession to occur on is watch.

 

I'd say under normal circumstances, you're quite right. Now there's nothing normal about a pandemic. Sometimes a crisis can unite the country under the whoever is president at the time. It can also drive a president from office. The 1929 stock market crash drove Hoover from office. 9-11 gave Bush and his GOP unprecedented first midterm electoral success, although another recession late in his second term elected Obama and the democrats. Americans didn't want to exchange presidents with WWII on the horizon and during electing FDR to a third and then a fourth term.

I think with this pandemic, if more Americans think Trump's response was good, he'll be reelected. If more think his response was bad or not sufficient enough, he'll lose in a landslide. It all comes down to the voter's perspective of whether Trump did enough or didn't do enough. We'll see. But you're absolutely correct about a recession in any normal year. I'll make no predictions one way or the other. Time will tell.

 

Yes.

That's the Bush example I used in another post.

If we go back to 2001, Bush had managed to rally the population behind him. He was getting an 80% approval rating. That's something that's never been seen in modern history.

Trump is at 43%. He's hard to get 50% just on his coronavirus management....

With hard times ahead of us, the chances of him being perceived by the electorate as the savior of the US are 0%.

But that's just my opinion.

 

Exactly, 2001 was in a different political era. The two major parties were more willing to work together than today. The era were in today is of divisiveness, polarization and ultra high partisanship. Those who think Trump is their savior will continue to do so no matter what, those who think Trump is the devil reincarnated will continue to do so no matter what. It's how those folks in the middle will break that will determine the outcome. In 2001 those who identified with both major parties made up 68% of the electorate, today they are down to 59%. Independents have risen from 30% to 40%. The parties becoming more right and left ideological wise and much more partisan causing shall I say, those in the middle, center, center left and center right, the more moderate folks who believe in having the two parties work together, cooperating for the good of the country leaving both major parties as neither party has been willing to work with the other.

How these so called independents, I prefer to call them swing voters will break, I don't know. You may be correct. But if Trump is seen by them as getting this pandemic under control and the nation starts improving its lot, the condition of the economy might take a back seat for awhile. I'm guessing here. Chances are it won't. But I wouldn't rule it out of the realm of possibilities. How one puts this on their own probability scale is up to them. Today's numbers doesn't show it moving one way or the other, for or against Trump. But it is way to early to see or develop a trend line.

I think it was a huge mistake for Trump and company to put all their eggs in the good economy basket, it would also be a huge mistake for his opponents to put all their eggs in a bad economy, recession basket. I'll add this, I think the Democrats are about to nominate the right man. One who would bring steady, reliable leadership along with some sanity to the office of the president. But there is a long way to go, as this corona virus shows, there could be many unforeseen happenings, events that take place that will determine the November outcome.

 

god does love idiots!

 

Sure it is. That's why tRUMP declared a National Emergency less than 2 weeks after that campaign rally speech.

I know what happened. I know what he said. And the time line in which he said it vs declaring a National Emergency.

Now he's turning all socialism. Handing our $$$Trillions of free $$$$$ to stay home. Socialism is going to bail us out. Odd isn't it?

 

Will be zero by April

 

You have gone straight to the most important point, Daniel! There is still so much that we don't know, and that lack of certain knowledge is part of what makes fighting this damned thing so erratic and enigmatic. Sometimes there are no symptoms shown, but often there are. And is the 'incubation' period 14 days... or 21 days... or 24 days... or (as some have suggested) 30 days?

Does the virus survive for hours, days, or weeks on a whole variety of different kinds of surfaces, at different temperatures? Does it survive in the air? There are experts who will testify with bewildering irregularity about all of these things.

And, how in the hell did any doctor (or anybody else) even get into the same room with German Chancellor, Angela Merkel without being checked to be sure that he/she was a virus carrier? Even worse, what if her doctor was checked out, passed the test, and went on to infect her anyway...?! Now Merkel has gone into self-quarantine.... So, yes, you're right -- we know the dangers of many things we accept in life, but, clearly, this COVID-19 virus is not yet one of them. Link: https://www.foxnews.com/world/angela-merkel-quarantine-germany-coronavirus-doctor-test-positive

And until we find out a LOT more about this virus than we know right now, people will go on being infected, and, the economies of whole countries will be shaken to their foundations. And when people start losing their jobs in huge numbers, can't pay their bills, and can't buy anything, THAT is when "the sh!t hits the turbo-fan"....

. "Nope... not nearly the size I was thinking about...."

 

That is 100% correct.
I think that's why he wants $$$Trillions of $$$$$. It's his re-election money to buy Americans votes. He turning to socialism to win the next election.

 

You know I thought along those lines. But kept that thought to myself. Is there or was there any real difference between Obama's stimulus and Trump's? Of course for different reasons, one purely economic, the other caused by the pandemic.

Regardless, how those in-between the pro and anti Trumpers see this and how Trump's handles this, their perceptions on this very well could decide November's election.

 

This is tRUMPs hurricane Sandy.

 

Basically.

I'd much prefer Mitt Romney was at the helm right now. Dealing with financial crisis is more his style - Trump is a cut-and-run kind of guy.

Trump has a pretty thin skin and up to now, he hasn't had to deal with any real crisis - maybe we'll get lucky and he'll decide not to run again if he facing a major economic downturn and Romney could jump in.

 

Bankruptcy isn't an option this go around.

Neither is pointing fingers and whining how the world is against him.


So he is turning to socialism to get himself some points.

 

Or Bush's Katrina. It's certainly possible. So far though I haven't seen any changes between Trump's January numbers and his numbers today. It' still early, it all depends on where those in the middle of all of this fall. Which side of the fence they come down on. When it comes to things like this, there are three perceptions. Those who wear blue colored glasses, those who have on red colored glass and those with no or clear colored glasses.

I'd say as of today, those without tinted glasses haven't made up their minds yet if Trump has done enough or hasn't done enough? Whether he did the right things or the wrong things? Did he handle this as a president should or didn't he?

We know approximately 80% of Americans have their minds made up on Trump. Most of those, there isn't changing their minds. It's the latter 20% who will decide Trump's fate in November. Being the numbers have remained fairly consistent, steady, I'll make no predictions. Not enough time for a trend to develop yet.

 

IMO,
It always comes down to the middle 30 or so %. Those, like me, who don't care for either corrupt partisan political party. They want party over country. I don't care for that. Both sides have their good and their bad. And each side keeps going further to the extremes.

But yes, the Independents always determine the prez. Unless, a Perot type 3rd party candidate runs and takes 20% or so of the vote.

 

Maybe you need to look up the word Socialism, or maybe read Marx.

he changed because the time was right at the moment. He had already declared a national medical emergency. You guys were chasing the other hoax.

 

LOL. I chased nothing.
He declared the National Emergency near 2 weeks after he called the D response to the virus a hoax. In other words, he believed his own words when he said the April warm weather would end the virus and it'd be ZERO.

See, I chased nothing. Simple repeat the steps tRUMP didn't take at the beginning to get a handle on the problem.
Now he needs the largest socialism bailout in history to deal with it.

 

Again you need to look up the word socialism.

your reality is wrong

 

I will remember that gov't interference is not socialism. When interference alters free markets and natural events.

I agree it's not socialism, but 2 weeks ago, anything the gov't did to much of the RW was seen as socialism. Now they wake up to reality. Welcome.

The new RW, gov't bailout is NOT Socialism.

 

You'd be surprised that to this day the number of Republicans who blame Perot for Bush Sr. loss. Here's the numbers.

Exit Poll Data and the Perot Vote
Now, let’s briefly consider the 1992 exit poll data and the actual composition of the Perot vote. According to the exit poll data, 38% of the Perot voters said they would have voted for Clinton in a two-way race, 38% would have voted for Bush, 24% would not have voted. Perot won 30% of independents, 17% of Republicans, and 13% of Democrats. Put another way, of his 19% popular vote share, 8 percentage points came from independents, 6 from Republicans, and 5 from Democrats. Fully 53% of Perot’s vote came from self-defined moderates, 27% from conservatives and 20% from liberals; so about 10 points of his 19% came from self-described moderates, with 5 points coming from conservatives and 4 points from liberals. We also know from the exit polls that the Perot voters were angrier at the political system than supporters of the other candidates. Do these Perot supporters really look like voters that would have gone heavily to incumbent Bush in a two-candidate race?


http://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm

The two major parties disgust me quite a bit. Like you, I'm sick and tired of this party over country BS. I want them to work together, compromise, play the game of give and take. I realize there are some issues where compromise is impossible, but I would say on 90% of the issues, they could be addressed.

What I hate most about them are the issues, our problems that are too valuable to be solved by either party as they make great campaign issues. Solving them would eliminate a campaign issue that fires up their bases. Immigration, gun control, health care, education, infrastructure, and on and on.

 

Not sure who told you govt interfered was.

 

Read Marx...

 

Wuhan is not a small place, by the time they realized what was happening, it was already too late.