Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........

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Can you or I decrease the SUFFERING OF G-D????

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  3. No.... and I think that might be blasphemy?!

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  4. That is a strange idea.... and I shall research it further????

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  5. Yes... we can decrease the suffering of G-d within other humans and animals!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ... RAN AWAY from Queen Jezebel and her armies?

    In 1979 I was at the Worldwide Church of God Festival of Tabernacles / Sukkot in Charlottetown, P. E. I., (at least that is what it was called back in those days)..... .and a Pastor gave a sermon on I Kings chapter 18........ and added some bonus material.

    His theory was that Elijah...... had a window of opportunity to set in motion a series of events that would have led to the restoration of the Northern Kingdom of Israel........ but....... in order to do it he had to NOT RUN AWAY TO MT. HOREB???????

    Would any of you debaters like to elaborate on the theory that this pastor probably put forward?

    This may get your creative juices working:

    3. The future is not fixed and can change



    and....

    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need the context for this question, this is just after one of the greatest miracles of the Jewish Bible:

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/1-kgs/18?lang=eng
    ....

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/1-kgs/19?lang=eng


    Why would G-d ask Elijah what he was doing at Mt. Horeb............ .IF.... Mt. Horeb was exactly where Elijah was supposed to be?????????
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has there almost always been somebody put in place to prevent Holocausts but....... . did they often do like Elijah did and run away or get all wrapped up in the affairs of this world and making money and building their own house???????

    Ezekiel 22:30
    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/hag/1?lang=eng

    This is interesting:
    Hidden Holy Men Reveal Final Key to Open Redemption This Passover
     
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    Isaiah 63:9
    Is the Creator of the Universe / Multiverse afflicted in all our afflictions??????????

    If so.... then is it not possible to decrease the afflictions that G-d is going through... by decreasing the level of afflictions that humans and animals are suffering?????


    G-d is aware of the afflictions of humans:

    Exodus 3:7, 17 "¶ And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;"

    Rabbi Alon Anava has stated each human being has been given SEVENTEEN ANGELS TO RECORD EVERY INSTANT OF OUR LIVES.......
    (I assume their recordings are used during the Life Review that near death experiencers report having)?!

    Rabbi Alon Anava speaks about this before the two minute mark in this video:



    We are being shifted into a vastly better world than has existed since Eden!

    Isaiah 30:20 "And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers"

    Personally...... I think that the metaphorical "Queen Jezebel" of this time period are the one hundred wealthiest families on earth who meddle around with central banking policies and own the media and come up with scheme after scheme to maintain control over voters who can so easily be influenced by the media.

    I quote AboveAlpha here on an idea about Russia, the USA and Canada coming together in cooperation but......... one to twenty three extremely wealthy Russians are preventing this from coming to pass!
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...theory-of-m-w-p.548225/page-4#post-1070443883
     
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    My belief is that G-d always have the people in place who can prevent massive types of injustice like The Holocaust...... but for one reason or another they get distracted and run away from the primary calling on their lives.

    Near death experiencer and former Skeptic Howard Storm was shown that The Holocaust was NOT the will of G-d.... but was the will of men and fallen angels.... that G-d permitted men and fallen angels to do!

    Howard Storm Ph. D:
    So were there people in place in the 1920's and 1930's who could have prevented The Holocaust?????

    What would have happened if the investors had actually listened to Nikola Tesla??????

    J. P. Morgan was offended by Tesla's desire to make free energy available to the majority of people....... J. P. Morgan was somewhat Elitist........ and just could not imagine giving such a gift to the average person?????

    In one sense he had a point because the grandparents of the average person shot Passenger pidgeons into extinction and shot Buffalo from the windows of trains....... so...... what would CONSUMERS do if they were given essentially free energy / electricity?????
     
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    The future back then was guided by God.

    He was introducing himself to the world and had a specific plan on how to do it.

    Nobody could have interfered with it.
     
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    Tesla was one of the most brilliant men to ever grace humanity.

    Unfortunately he got sidetracked due to business things.

    Had he been fully invested he would have seriously altered our world.

    He may already have but we don't know since the government stole all of his work upon his death.
     
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    I heard that Tesla himself was all out and full throttle but his major investor, (J. P. Morgan if I remember correctly)........ attempted to nickel and dime him on many projects........ (for example the Philadelphia Experiment...... according to some supposed witnesses)?!

    (Rumour has it that the Navy volunteers on the ship that was sent through time with a Tesla device ended up sinking into the metal of the ship..... because J. P. Morgan refused to finance a device for on the ship that Tesla said was needed).
     
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    "Can you or I decrease the SUFFERING OF G-D????"

    they say Adam and Eve were playing naked in the garden of Eden, God loved to watch them, then they learned that what God was doign was creepy by eating the apple and covered up.. he punished them

    Moral of story, play naked, God likes to watch
     
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    "G-d" is a word and is therefore subject to definition........

    it is conceivable that there may have been more than one "god" and / or G-d watching events in Eden.....


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...h-to-satanists.517921/page-12#post-1070481285



    G-d H-mself came close to what some would consider blasphemy (or perhaps polytheism), on a number of occasions......
    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ex/4?lang=eng
    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/10?lang=eng

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ps/82?lang=eng

    6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

    8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
     
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    The sighing of the Sea beyond,
    Beyond the western world, on sand,
    On sand of pearls on Felvenland.
    Until he heard on strands of pearl
    when ends the world the music long,
    where ever foaming billows roll
    the yellow gold and jewels wanted..
    In Valinor, the red blood flowing
    Beside the Sea...
    The ice mutters in the mouths of the Sea.
    The captives sad in Angband mourn.
     
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    The captives indeed are waiting........
    and considering their less than amusing circumstances........
    rather patiently........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-and-divide-the-kingdom-of-satan-and.369227/
     
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    After the twenty minute mark in this video is a perfect
    explanation for what I am thinking that this may mean??????

    This guy had a near death experience......
    he was told that he had been faithful and had the freedom to stay in heaven but........
    if he was willing to come back to earth and live for more years he could change the lives
    of many others... .who would affect the lives of many others... that would result in the changing of
    history.........


    The most relevant part is after the twenty minute mark in this.....





    Here is the first part in this series......
    if you would like more of the context....

     
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    Characters cannot "alter history" in the same way that the author can.
     
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    True........ unless the Author set up space and time in such a way that the characters do indeed have the power to shift events off into what would seem to be another time line or example of applied Multiverse Theory that would fulfill Ezekiel chapter thirty seven and Revelations chapter twenty.
     
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    Of course, one can frame a context to suit a pretext to hide a subtext, but that, in and of itself, is no good reason to believe it.
     
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    No. God wrote everything before He created anything. Every character in every novel I've ever read was left to believe that they had a "free will". God is not making this up as we go along, and we sure aren't coauthors with God.

    Pride is an ignorance. Pride is a very specific ignorance. Pride is the ignorance of one's own subjectivity. There is nothing more prideful than a belief in "free will".
     
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    That is certainly a rather intriguing approach to all this.......??!!

    I prefer this idea:

    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03


     

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