Could the reason for the imperfect world be to allow sin?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member

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    Could it be possible that the whole point of this world is to allow us to commit sin?
    That there has to be someone else to wrong for there to be sin.

    That would mean the primary reason for physical existence (the imperfect world) is for spiritual ends.
     
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    No, I wouldn't have said so. This world is full of sin and temptation, we are here to learn how to resist and persevere. Physical life is a test of our character and soul to see if we are deserving of a place in Kingdom of Heaven. I know that the New Testament alludes to the fact that if we believe in Jesus Christ, our saviour, then we ourselves are saved but belief without action is redundant. I have been tempted by sin and it has effectively cost me a great deal (2 Corinthians 9:6, Galatians 6:7-9). Living your life according to the spirit will reap great reward, living according to the flesh (sin) has consequences.

    But hey, that's just my opinion my brother.
     
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    According to the biblical fairy tale it is sinful to eat tuna and shrimp and lobster and to wear clothes of mixed fabrics and to do work of any kind on the sabbath. Yeshua said that a person should cut off any body part that causes him to sin. Since people don't routinely gouge out their eyes, knock out their teeth, or cut off their hands it should be obvious that they do not take the fairy tale about sin seriously in any way. Even you don't believe in it because you have all of your body parts.
     
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    The Biblical 'fairy tale' is just that. It is just too Good to be possible in this world. Living in the Blessings that the Biblical 'fairy tale' talks about is just too 'good', almost Utopia. The only thing that doesn't make it possible are all the deliberate and sneaky wrong doers. But even to these, the Biblical 'fairy tale' says what should be done towards them. But not even those suggestions are taken to heart and put to effect.


    And so there is the way the world is and the Biblical 'fairy tale' way of how it can be.

    The Biblical 'fairy tale' is a life where everyone has understanding and knowledge and wisdom and that none, especially after a certain age, relays their lacks of understanding, knowledge and wisdom to infect any and all who are on the wayside. Homelessness. Riches. Poverty. Personal Freedoms. All of these come with individual opinions rather than from the Biblical 'fairy tale' point of view. But if the Biblical 'fairy tale' life was lived, there would be no homelessness, no division between the rich and poor, no personal freedoms to commit things which cause self or others to be homeless or be in the division of the rich and poor.

    And that is why it is the Biblical 'fairy tale'. It's just too 'good' to even be 'real'.


    Look at the Biblical accounts. It was only AFTER the children in Y'srael began complaining and asking for a King to Samuel that they began getting worse and worse. Everything was fine until then. They were living the Biblical 'fairy tale'. What might have made them to complain and ask for a King to rule over them so they could 'serve' the King just as the other nations around them were? What could have been so 'desirable' that the other Nations had which Y'srael didn't have that they left that Biblical 'fairy tale' to pursue what ever it was that the other nations had?


    The saying, 'God helps those that help themselves'.... do you not think that God could 'bless' to over flowing in His Land of the Biblical 'fairy tale'? Do you think that 'man' needs to 'earn' blessings? If you do, then there is 1 reason already why you also would not in the Biblical 'fairy tale'. Because it would just be too 'good' to be true. But God never said that it was too 'good' to be true.


    There are those now days that use 'violence' to strip another person from these Biblical 'fairy tale' blessings leaving them broken and shredded in pieces.

    But this 'violence' is not part of the Biblical 'fairy tale'. So why should His ones need to be violently shredded apart or broken to pieces if they are not committing any offenses worthy of such?


    It might be called the 'unclean verses the clean'. Uncleanliness is beginning to become 'justified'.

    Sin was 'justified'. Wrong doing was 'justified'. Personal freedoms was 'justified'. Now uncleanliness is beginning to become 'justified'. Guess who 'dies' because of 'them' being 'justified'? It just happens whether or not the person is 'nice' or not. The 'wages' of 'sin' is death. And if there is no turning or realizing what 'sin' is, the ones being 'justified' are causing the others to die.

    It might have something to do with 'mercy'. And 'mercy which endures for ever and ever'. The word 'endure' does not mean 'joyful'. Enduring is hardship.


    I think there are many out there that want to see a person or cause a person to live to cause The LORD hardship, forever and ever. Why? Because they do nothing about those things but have 'joy' in those same things.


    Today's 'woman's rights' is an example.
    Today's 'it is my right to do or to have' is an example.

    Do women have 'equal rights' under God? Probably. So then to whom are they complaining and causing a huge fuss with?

    But equal rights also means equal obedience. If men are to obey in certain things, so also the women, should obey in certain things.

    How are 'false rape charges' any 'good' thing coming forth from a woman or women?

    Their biological body 'sex/gender' might be that of a 'woman/female' but their inwards definitely is not. The same applies for males. Their biological body 'sex/gender' might be that of a 'man/male' but their inwards is not.

    They live they die. So why have the others need to 'die' in their place?

    Some say 'unmerited favor', or 'grace'. How is this any 'Glory' towards God, The Father and to (J)esus Christ?

    So they can show that Their 'mercy' endures for ever and ever?

    Court rooms are beginning to 'convict' the innocent and letting go the 'guilty'. Is this the 'mercy' which the world desires to see come forth from God, The Father and (J)esus Christ?


    'Black lives matter'. Yeah.. And many so and do 'All lives matter'.

    Right. But a 'Black life' is and should not be compared to a 'Criminal life' although 'All lives matter'.


    For those that have jesting and jeering in their life, 'All lives matter' is just a play on words, not on the same sincerity as 'Black lives matter'.

    But they are not children. They are not youths. Children and youths are known to play pranks and be in jeering and jesting. These are not children nor youths. They are full grown adult males and females.

    Are those with higher I.Q's REALLY better human beings than those who do not have exceptionally high I.Q's? Because that is what some say.. Full grown adult males and women say these things.


    Are those with more monies REALLY better human beings that those that do not have those sorts of monies? Because that is what some say. Full grown adult males and women say these things.


    'Black lives matter'.
    'All lives matter'.
    'Pranksters lives matter'.


    What do the 'Black lives' need help with in getting some kind of 'rehabilitation'? That what this 'set' of 'Lives matter' seem to be saying, right? Like there is some kind of deficiency in 'Black lives'.


    Like I said, 'Black lives matter' is not comparable to 'Pranksters' lives matter'.


    'Respectful lives matter'.

    Is that on the same level as 'Disrespectful lives matter'?
     
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    What is ALL lives?

    What is ALL lives matter?
     
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    As in the world to allow for disrespect and unwillingness to show courtesies? Sort of like, my way and no other way for my life, in and out of my house? Have you ever seen a person drive like this? My way and no other way?





    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=skateboarding+on+highway


    Are these things, 'their right' to do as they do?
     
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    I think we're supposed to learn not to sin, and as my old fire captain (a marine fron nam) used to say, 'If you're not F-ing up, you're not learning anything.'
     
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    I don't believe sin exists except for suicide.
     
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    An interesting idea........
    it is at least somewhat verified in this near death experience account:

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

     
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    Why tuna?
    Some fish have some scales..... at least at some stage in their life cycle.
    Tuna certainly have fins so I assume that they have some scales as well.... and would therefore be kosher...... unless the fishing or cooking process is totally messed up.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/82675/jewish/Kosher-Fish-List.htm
    Kosher Fish List
     
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    I deeply appreciate the encouragement James.......
    this morning an Israeli Jewish Rabbi and writer friend of mine on Facebook posted about the
    Pittsburgh shooting.......
    I didn't know what to say at first.... and then I remembered something else from that same NDE account.


    Howard Storm Ph. D:
     
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    I think this conflicts with biblical teaching. An imperfect world is a punishment for human sinful nature, see genesis. Humans have sinful natures and will therefore sin in any world because of our natures.
     
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    And we are here to overcome those sins so we are ready for the next world.
     
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    there is no evidence for "sin" outside of literary fiction.
     
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    Says you. Forgive me if I don’t take your word as gospel sir.
     
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    Of course. It’d be kind of you to share any evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Likewise with you my brother.
     
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    I’m going to rely on the “burden of proof” being on those who propose it exists to step up for us on this one.
     
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    You’re the one who came into this forum. Why don’t you speak to those who share your interests and beliefs rather than trolling on here my friend. The use of the word fiction was intentional bait.

    I choose to believe what feels right to me and you do not know anything about me or what I have experienced. Not one of us has any proof of anything. Science is proven wrong again and again and the theory of evolution is exactly that. Theory, like a lot of science. I welcome debate but I feel you’re just here to be provocative.
     

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