Could there be two Jerusalem Third Temples?

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Could there be TWO Arks of the Covenant?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently.... there are two Arks of the Covenant!

    There are two ways of calculating most of the annual High Holy Sabbaths of Judaism, I term them Calculated Rabbinic and Karaite. (The Karaite Jews go by the visible new moon as seen from Jerusalem).

    I had never really thought much about the idea of there perhaps being two Jerusalem Third Temples until I read this exceptionally insightful reply in another forum:

    All that I know is that the fate of humanity depends on the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter 47............ so I personally believe that we Christians should generally support the Jewish people in their desire to built their Jerusalem Third Temple. It may be easier to build two of them....... than to build on the Temple Mount.... even though the Gihon Spring Theory would mean that there is all kinds of room for a Third Temple plus the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque all on the Temple Mount.
     
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    There is a traditional theological hypothesis when the Temple for the Antichrist will first be built, and then, after the destruction of the Antichrist, somehow another Temple will appear that will be Messianic. However, if the appearance of the Antichrist is not connected with the construction of a temple for him, but with the construction of the Messianic Temple, where the "elected from the four winds" gather, the place in which Antichrist will be revealed is not a material Temple, but a spiritual one.

    Antichrist will be revealed in the hearts of many Christians who will love some political and/or religious leader instead of Jesus Christ. Thus, this leader will "sit" in the "temple" of their hearts, where in fact God must reign.

    With such a development of events, the appearance of any other Temples will not in the least influence either Antichrist or the righteous who gather around the Messianic Temple. Of course, many Christians can expect that some antichrist will sit inside the Jewish Temple, built according to the old scheme, in place of the former temples in Jerusalem. But in the Jewish Temple, no one will be seated, because this is not envisaged by the status of this Temple, such a temple will be in the role of the museum of the former Jerusalem Temple.

    Therefore, the Temple that can be built in Jerusalem is completely superfluous from theological considerations:in that Temple there will be no Antichrist, there will not be Jesus Christ (Jesus Christ once already came to the same Temple).

    Considering that to restore the former Temple in its original place it is necessary either to demolish the mosque or to make a serious redevelopment of the Temple Mount (if you build a temple near the mosque), this will inevitably cause aggression on the part of Muslims. Therefore, it is so easy to take and build the Temple in Jerusalem will not succeed. And I think, as long as there are Muslims, the Temple in Jerusalem will not be built.

    Quite a different situation with the Messianic Temple, the construction of which is described in the prophecy of Ezekiel. So far, there have been two obstacles to the realization of this prophecy.

    1) It was believed that this Temple should be built on the site of the previous temples in Jerusalem, that is, this Temple can not be built while the mosque is in that place.

    2) Nobody could unequivocally explain the description of all the sizes of this Temple, indicated in the prophecy, there were no drawings of this Temple.

    Today it can be considered established that the location of this Messianic Temple is in the Judean Desert, in a nature reserve, in a place free of any buildings. And today we have the drawings of this Temple, in accordance with the description of this Temple in the prophecy of Ezekiel.

    That is, the construction of a single Messianic Temple will solve all the problems, and the reconstruction project of the former Temple in Jerusalem is redundant.

    So I think only one Temple will be built, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel.

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    I am amazed by all this!

    https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/


     
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    I would like to see a better visualization of the 3D model of the Third Temple, but this requires powerful computers and a lot of work of specialists, I'm just an amateur.



    Here, the 3D model is shown "as is", without realistic materials for surfaces, without vegetation and stones, without post-processing. The terrain was created in accordance with the topographic map, the satellite images were used as a texture for the terrain.
     
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    I always get a kick out of these types of threads where somebody "figures" out something that God didn't explain.

    If God had wanted us to know He would have come out and tell us, the Bible is not a mystery novel, there are not things in there that God doesn't want us to know yet we can outsmart Him and figure them out anyways.

    Its also completely irrelevant to anything.

    God has a plan and He doesn't need our help to bring it to fruition.

    We know what we are required to do because God tells us what it is in the Bible and its very simple, that is the extent of our participation.

    We don't need to figure out riddles in the Bible so we can help His plans along, I think He is doing quite fine just by Himself.

    I would actually spend less time trying to guess what God has going on and worry more about my own salvation if I were these people.
     
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    Work on this 3D model of Ezekiel's Temple lasted several years. Here is the video, where the previous version of this model of the Temple was used:



    In this version of the 3D model there were some errors that were eliminated in the new version, which was created during the last year.

    The location of the future Messianic Temple is determined on the basis of the prophecy of Ezekiel. Unfortunately, in the English translations of the Bible, in the prophecy of Ezekiel, there are errors: some lengths are indicated in the cubits, when in fact there is used another unit of measurement - the reed, which is six times larger than the cubit. Such errors of translation led the commentators of Ezekiel's prophecy to the erroneous scheme of the holy allotment. In this video, we showed the correct order of measurements of the holy allotment, indicated in the prophecy of Ezekiel:



    Now we have not only 3D model of the Third Temple, satisfying the description with the dimensions of this Temple, which are set in the prophecy of Ezekiel. Now we have a refined map of the future of Messianic Israel, this old video shows an outdated map. The new map of Israel is as follows:

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    The procedure for determining the exact location of the Third Temple and determining the exact borders of Israel in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel
     
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    Wow!!!!!!

    Aryeh B.... I can see from some of your other posts that you are tough on political leaders who you consider to be unethical....... so what is your take on what I wrote this morning:


    Was Prime Minister Stephen Harper DAVIDIC?

     
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    I disagree...... and I believe that there is off the scale valuable GOLD
    hidden in the following words..........
    but to mine that gold...... you have to risk your life...........
    PLUS......

    Does a major fallen angel return to G-d and divide the kingdom of Satan and...



    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)


    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

    The Personality of Mashiach
    By J. Immanuel Schochet

    ......
     
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    Your website has been introduced to posters here on this forum in this discussion as well:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bilize-climate.288721/page-18#post-1069396792

    Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

     
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    This guy makes some really, really good points on this.

     
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    I am downright amazed by this post:

    wow!!!

    This kind of reminds me of something that I just wrote here:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-mark-taylor-a-prophet.540436/#post-1069543591

    Is Mark Taylor a prophet?
     
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    You are doing spectacular work for an amateur Aryeh B......
    the stage is certainly being set for this.

    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/113476/temple-institute-certifies-red-heifer/

    Red Heifer Birth, Paves Way For Renewed Temple Service
    By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz September 5, 2018 , 12:17 pm


     
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    I slightly changed the color of the solar cells on the roofs, in accordance with the color of the blue stripes on the flag of Israel.

     
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    All that I personally needed were these words"

    Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

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    to know that Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 have to come to pass somehow.........

    So these are just some attempts to figure out the how.......
    it is amazing what information emerges as we asks questions on these forums.

    It looks great..... that was good thinking!
     
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    Grant R. Jeffrey Ph. d. does a good job of explaining how different the
    atmosphere between the Messianic Jewish community of the year 64 C. E. for example......
    than came to be the case by the time of Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kochba Revolt.

    He says that we can learn about the future Era of Messiah from how things were back then.

     
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    Personally I think that this is a huge feather in the cap of Latter Day Saints. They already have a tradition that in the Latter Days they will spearhead the building of the Ezekiel Temple Complex!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-dollar-problem.531929/page-2#post-1069652460

    and......

    https://www.christianforums.com/threads/ezekiels-temple-why-are-we-still-not-building.8007616/

     
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    Yes, that's right. And the new place for the Temple, which is shown to us by the prophet Ezekiel, will also have claims from the Muslims.

    Therefore, the leadership of Israel should immediately take measures to protect the entire area around the ruins of the altar, at least 1.5 x 1.5 km.

     
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    Somebody sent me the link to a video that I know will inspire you.

     
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    I will try to find this in another form but the text is here as well......
    there is some exceptional information about a coming temple beginning at the 3:03:00 minute mark in this text video:

     
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    Could there be two Jerusalem Third Temples?

    Wouldn't one be called the fourth temple?
     
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    You would think for all the world that this would be an easy question to answer...... but it isn't..... because a significant percentage of the population of Israel will only recognize the third temple on the Temple Mount...... as being the Jerusalem Third Temple...... .and they will likely reject what could turn out to be the beginning of the Ezekiel Temple Complex.

    I do believe that there will be a sufficiently large number of Israelis who will be interested in the beginnings of what could be the Ezekiel Temple Complex to make this into an interesting and somewhat controversial subject though.

    Theoretically...... .the conflict could be so great that it may within two centuries be recognized as the metaphorical fulfillment of:

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/zech/14?lang=eng
    If.... within two centuries no significant possible fulfillment of this occurs..... that would be considered to be greater than the conflict over these two proposed temples then........ Jews and Christians who are interested in the fulfillment of prophecies may have to reinterpret Zechariah 14 to fit with a conflict something like the one that I am proposing???!
     
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    I wonder how all this will fit in???

    Daniel 11

    28 The king of the North will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant. He will take action against it and then return to his own country. 29 “At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before.

    30 Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

    32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
     

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