COVID Vaccine Research

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  1. AlpinLuke

    AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

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    I have shared this experience.
    Not directly.

    Being a former NBC military unit, a virus should be Rambo to infect me.
    Anyway my brother and his family got Covid after two shots.

    This means [and statistically we can say this] that the vaccine doesn't protect against infection.
    It doesn't protect also against the disease. My brother recorder high fever and muscular pains.

    But ... no one in my brother's family was in the category of the "susceptible subjects".
    So that I cannot evaluate the matter of fact that he and his wife [my nephew and my niece had no symptoms at all] had something like a common flu. Did the vaccine inhibit the virus? I cannot say.
     
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    The other anomaly if we can call it that, is that my in-laws 85 & 75 yo M & F respectively, have had the shots but nothing has happened to them. To me, this suggests that they received a placebo/saline. This then could confirm that there are levels of toxicity in the shots. Some people have dropped dead within hours of taking them up to a couple of weeks. Then others with various injuries caused by the shots. It has also been reported, that the vaccines accelerate conditions an individual might get many years down the track, such as cancer or heart attack etc.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not. You wanted validation from people who agree with you. That's how validation works.

    I am aware of the deaths and injuries attributed to vaccination side-effects, I'm aware of the actual rate of incidence and range of severity too. That's one of the reasons any new formations of the vaccines would need clinical trials in the first place after all.

    Of course, if your default position is that COVID vaccines are automatically dangerous, shouldn't you be making arguments for them not to be developed further at all rather than asking pointless leading questions like this one?
     
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    How do you get that by spreading awareness?
     
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    Your OP didn't spread awareness of anything though, it just asked a question. I don't think you were expecting or wanting anyone to say "Yes" so you could spin the line that people who support the use of the COVID vaccines don't have confidence in their convictions.

    You were expecting and wanting some people to say "Of course not, because the vaccines are terrible and kill people!" because it always feels better to hear other people agreeing with your beliefs (regardless of what they are). That is literally seeking validation.

    I don't think you intended this thread to be about "spreading awareness", though you're obviously prepared and happy to copy-paste the same material in to it now that you've been challenged on the OP question. If you'd wanted this thread to be about "spreading awareness" though, you would have started with that in the OP.
     
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    Sarcasm is difficult to express if it's not highlighted as [sarcasm]. My apologies. As for the awareness... don't the following qualify?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/covid-vaccine-research.602736/page-2#post-1073657222
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/covid-vaccine-research.602736/page-2#post-1073657708
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/covid-vaccine-research.602736/page-2#post-1073657720

    Got to have material to talk about, right?
    The copy and paste is for the consideration of the reader. As you need to subscribe to the site. Might want to ask about that first. There are reasons for my madness, regardless of whether you see them or not. So, is there anything you like to discuss or are we going to waste time talking bullshit?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I wanted to discuss whether people would be willing to take part in future clinical trials for reformulated or new COVID vaccines (it actually seems like a novel and interesting question, and one where I have some relevant experience).

    If you didn't want to discuss that, you probably shouldn't have started a thread asking exactly that question. :cool:
     
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    Please do.

    I always find it quite interesting to take a peek inside the minds of those who are willing to become human Guinea pigs for government sponsored medical experiments. Especially for chemicals in pharmaceutical experiments or as you call "clinical trials" that have already been proven to cause harm in the human body.
     
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    The placebo matter is a serious matter.
    Actually with SARS-Cov2 sanitary authorities have reduced the time to issue a vaccine.
    The phase "placebo - vaccine" has been totally erased.

    Personally I can say that three jabs have had no consequences for me.
    Am I in the placebo list?

    I cannot say. But as a good NBC unit I respect military security protocols.
    So far, Covid has been far from me.
     
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    Why? So the monkeys and beagles can retire?
     
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    Then if it's been "erased" then there must be levels of toxicity within the batches created. As the example, I have given. My in-laws have had their shots, and they've had no adverse effects or had covid. Whereas the rest of my wife's family has had covid twice and one a third time, and two with adverse effects. Where others there has also been death, not in my extended family.
     
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    You clearly don't know what you're talking about and have no real interest in clinical trials. I answered your question, you've spammed your "evidence", I don't see what else there is to say.
     
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    Well, I'm learning. I want to get inside the mind of a human test subject. Whatever it is you're expecting from me, you'd probably need to go onto a forum that has medical experts and psychologists on it. I am neither. Enjoy the experience.

    I am interested in, is the why?
     
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    The diffusion of SARS-Cov2 reminds a cold, more than a flu.
    I have had coworkers with Covid [vaccinated] who haven't infected relatives in their family, like I've seen well more quick diffusion [also among vaccinated individuals].

    1. The vaccination doesn't protect from infection, it protects from severe form of the disease.
    2. It's not said you will be infected: it depends on your general conditions.
    This is why I make a comparison with cold. Flu is more diffusive, but cold requires some contextual factors.
    SARS-Cov2 seems to work in the same way. Overall the last Omicron "family".

    And like about cold, you can get Covid many times. Without problems.

    So, if you want to survive to next autumn ... collect anti-inflammatory medicines [not steroidal, it's preferable] and keep your respiratory ways warm. The problem is when the temperature of our mucous membranes falls under a certain level. Some viruses adore low temperatures [like the ones causing cold].
     
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    Why push it when covid symptoms are far less severe than the cold or flu?
    [Eyebrows raised] Your not serious? Wasn't the point of these shots designed to protect those from covid, regardless? And why would you when the table below shows symptom severity?

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    One the vaccines are circulating SARS-COV2 is less dangerous than a cold.
    This means that conspiracy lovers can celebrate!

    Reality is different: without vaccines SARS-COV2 would cause a bilateral lethal pneumonia.
    But evidently now it's easy to forget the bilateral lethal pneumonia. Thanks to vaccines.
     
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    So what does this tell us? It tells us that the "vaccines" are ineffective for their so-called purpose, to prevent infection. Yet those who have taken the junk are getting sick ––– still. That's on the lighter side of the scale, on the heavy side you get mountains of cases of people who have suffered adverse effects and people who have died from the injections.

    As for the conspiracy theorists, it ain't a theory, it hasn't been for at least 18 months. There are copious amounts of tests, studies, and peer-reviewed papers along with the people who have video documented their experiences.

    Have you considered that covid may not physically exist? All the lockdowns and mandates, where propaganda was bombarding everyone giving them negative thoughts and emotions on a daily basis, and that was what was making them sick? A psychological operation, to weaken people into taking an experimental vaccine.

    https://www.health.com/condition/heart-disease/can-negative-thinking-make-you-sick
    https://marquemedical.com/damaging-effects-of-negativity/
    https://habitnest.com/blogs/habit-nest-blog/negative-thinking-can-make-you-sick

    There have been some beneficial vaccines made in the past, but these ones, ––– these ones don't make the beneficial grade. Far from it. all you got to look at are the people behind it, their motivations, agendas and their background. They are far from wholesome and don't have the best interests of humanity in mind.
    You should look into Gates and his family history, then you'll know. It isn't a conspiracy, as there is too much evidence, the theory part is long gone.
     
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    You might want to look at the other threads I frequent. There's not much validation there.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not getting validation doesn't mean you're not seeking it - if anything it could make you even more desperate for it. And of course, re-replying to a post from half-way through a discussion that has already ended doesn't scream seeking validation at all. :D
     
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    Everyone seeks validation, even you. Why do you think we are on a forum expressing our opinions on others, have you thought about that?
     
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    No what the copy and paste actually is —> copyright infringement.
     
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    No, sorry. I have provided the link to the source and explained my actions and did not claim it as my own work. Anything else?
     
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    How extensive were these trials? Not very. Take a listen, if you don't have a Twitter account, do what I do. If and when the pop-up "Login or sign-up", click on "sign-up" then close the pop-up. You can watch the media, unhindered.

    Pfizer Stopped Testing their COVID Vaccine on Animals Because they Kept Dying.
     
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    Nobody loves you.
     

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