Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

Exactly.

What is our policing of FFLs? What actually ALWAYS gets checked in a background check, etc.

My own view is that if a customer REALLY REALLY needs to shoot someone TODAY, that would be a darn good reason to not sell the gun.

 

and THAT makes this country the biggest most weaponized BULLY on the planet.. And that kind of thinking trickles down to the average citizen........ So yes...... violence and guns and therefore domination are in the country's DNA

There is no motivation to make any changes..........as weapons are empowering......... on a deep psychological basis. Mass and other shooters are using their power........and the casualties become statistics and nothing more. Survival of the fittest........aka he who has the biggest gun.

 

Somehow, we've just never got the hang of working together as a society.

And, I do think some of that has come from seeing ourselves as heros in blowing up other people's cities - which I'm not necessarily saying was wrong, but our perspective on that is VERY different from that of those whose cities are destroyed.

We see signs of this in our society in many places, NOT just concerning gun violence.

We have people who won't wear a mask when it means making infecting someone else less likely.

We have a Senate where McConnell says there will be "scorched earth" if the filibuster is tossed - as if his whole tenure in congress hasn't been dedicated to "scorched earth". The whole reason we HAVE a Senate is for forming compromise through negotiation.

We have the work being done today in numerous states to exclude people from our democracy.

We have domestic terrorism from our white supremacy sub population.

We had a president declaring "America first" - but, very clearly implemented as promoting an attitude of "me first" to be implemented by Americans at home as well as in international relations.

A disease moved to humans from animals in China. So, we should dump hate on Asian Americans??? What morality could POSSIBLY promote that kind of evil? What happened to America?

To me, these are all related in that they come from a stubborn refusal to believe that anyone else is to be considered - a breakdown in our society.

 

Two mass shootings just days apart. Experts call it a return to normal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...rn-normal-looks-n1261841?cid=eml_nbn_20210323

Hmmm. They might have a point.

 

The solution is for big Democrat city areas to build a big wall around themselves, with airport-style screening at all the entry points and no cars allowed in or out.
That will be fine, because we've been repeatedly told how wonderful public transportation is. And it will get rid of all the traffic congestion and air pollution in the big cities. Win-win.

Those who want to have a car to go somewhere else can rent a garage space right outside the city walls.

The majority of the people outside these areas will be fine with the way things are, and anyone who feels "uncomfortable" can move. No cars, everyone using green public transportation, all guns illegal, should be a progressive utopia.

 

yes, we have similar freedoms, but we didn't have to fight the British to gain them.
In fact, without Britain I either wouldn't be an Australian at all, or lived on an island
divided along European lines - with the resultant wars.
One nation, one language, no real slavery, no civil wars, support for Commonwealth
against Hitler and Kaiser - from the beginning. Oh, and no gun culture.

This 'bear arms' business - if I was the power in USA I would give people the right
to this, but the constitution says it must be through 'militias', ie no Saturday night
specials. And why can't Average Joe Citizen 'bear arms' with cruise missiles, F35's
and the occasion Ohio Class submarine? These are the real arms, not light arms.

 

I suggested a solution that should theoretically be acceptable to both sides.

Will there be the "will" to do it?

Wait, what's that? You don't really want to solve this issue that badly?

I just proposed a solution that would allow you to be safe from guns, greatly help the environment, almost completely mitigate the need to force electric cars on the entire country's population, and which conservatives could manage to agree with. You won't take that?

 

which explains why most gun banners are left wingers.

 

because the underlying right the founders were intending to guarantee, was the right of self defense, Cruise missiles and nukes, grenades, claymore mines and bazookas are weapons designed to attack an area, and are not particularly useful for self defense and are not weapons citizens normally keep and bear

 

Your rubbish was nothing more than nonsensical hypothetical blather you sit here and say well if nobody had a gun well guess what we live in a world where guns do exist so tell me again about who is saying nonsensical blather you might as well talk about putting the toothpaste back in the tube. That was the point that evidently you were unable to grasp. And no currently to date I have never seen a single thing I agree with you on I think it would probably be a blizzard in hell before that happened. So no yours makes absolutely no sense at all I might as well say well what if big foot brushes his teeth with toothpaste he put back in a tube given to him by fairies on the head of a pen. Or what if Bigfoot had a gun then people with guns wouldn't try to shoot Bigfoot

 

you don't need a license to own a car or operate it on private property. If you carry a weapon concealed on the public streets, I have no issue with requiring a CCW as long as it is shall issue-like the driver's license.

MOST CAR DEATHS come from negligence or poor driving skills. Training can remedy that. Most gun deaths come from intentional actions-training has zero relevance to preventing that

 

wrong-what is suggests is he has contempt for the Democratic Party. And that has much merit

 

There is a bumper sticker my Green Beret Nephew had on his car: it read something like this--I am ready to give my life to defend the constitution-are you ready to give your life to overturn it"?

 

Well stated and an accurate analysis of the society as it has become. Americas self image and the real image are quite different. It is not heroism when a nation bombs another country based on lies........or "misinformation" The underlying theme is aggression. and all the favors it comes in. Combine that with the ME first thinking........ and one has a very selfish bully who no one respects. They might fear a country like that....... but that is not respect. Society seems to have deteriorated.......... with folks clinging to what they believed America to be. Perceptions are just that .
When a nation loses touch with its own humanity........ it begins to lose its soul. One might venture an idea that the violence / shootings, aggression are a symptom of a darker and deeper problem. When life becomes a mere statistic....... something is deteriorating from within. Most folks don't want to look within.......as it can be rather harsh.

 

Seeing the swastika fluttering in the wind, he would have been shouting "Sieg Heil!" at the top of his lungs.

 

But... this right to bear arms, is that the right to bear light arms or ALL arms?
I mean, can an American citizen own and employ at any time, a nuclear cruise missile?
Can a citizen own an Ohio class submarine?
If not, why not? These are arms - real arms.

 

Yes because defending the Constitution is so much like being a Nazi

 

The A10 Warthog is also 'arms'
more so than your AR15.
Should citizens have access to these?

 

It's embedded for a reason. The European history evolved in a way in which the governments there assumed total responsibility for citizens' security at all times. Even way back in the 1700s French kings were sending royally appointed hunters to handle wolves in the countryside.

But the American government had different experiences that gave them insight into a self evident human right to possess weapons, including guns, in order to provide for their own security. They knew that they could not ensure security for all citizens against wildlife, Indians, and criminals along its vast frontier. And they knew that in reality, no government can do that completely and indefinitely for its citizens. Hence the 2nd Amendment, and the "embedding" of guns in the American psyche.

The people who lived in and around New Orleans discovered the above principle for about 2 weeks after Hurricane Katrina, during which all levels of their government failed to provide security for them. What that did was immediately create roving bands of criminals seeking targets of opportunity. All that you needed to drastically increase your security was an AR15 slung over your shoulder to show you weren't a target.

Even Europeans have realized this fundamental concept at times (and I guess forgot it). All of the Russians, or Poles, French, Slavs, etc., hiding in cities, suburbs, forests, and mountains behind the Nazi advance, suddenly found themselves in a position in which no government was providing security in any way to them, and that they very much wanted and needed guns very badly, and probably resented any previous law or decision that prevented them from having one.

 

Where I live two of them fly over about a 1000 feet up every day. Scary things

 

Because being willing to destroy Democracy is so much like being a Nazi.

 

That's fine. Keep your guns on private property

 

That is fine, but let's be clear about what "overturning" means. If it's arresting Jews for no reason that's one thing, but if it's single-payer healthcare that's entirely something else

 

True. Healthcare is a prime example. It could be fixed if there was a will, but both parties disagree for the sake of disagreeing, and the taxpayers keep getting the shaft.

 

Well that's a stupid bumper sticker! So if a decision to overturn the 2nd is agreed through democracy as written in the constitution as being a right, your nephew will be willing to give his life to defend the 2nd hence going against the constitution.

LOL at you adding "green beret" as if that gives any adulation to the stupid sticker!