Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, shooting violence is not part of America's DNA. The people in this country have been carrying fire arms since it was first colonized by the Spanish, French and British and it wasn't until relatively recently that we began to see these shootings.

    Now ask yourself why is that?

    Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan saw it coming in 1965 - that's right, 56 years ago.

    Most of the gun violence we see in this country is a symptom of the problem that the politicians who advocate gun control (Democrats) don't even want the public to address, and the media and entertainment industries aren't about to address their own culpability in normalizing and glorifying this violence, either.

    So - surprise, surprise, surprise - gun control measures don't deliver on the promises political bullshit artists peddle and neither does all the bleating and babbling and pearl-clutching in the media and elsewhere throughout the country.
     
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    Well, as I said...The Constitution includes a system for making changes to it. If you would like to see the 2nd Amendment repealed I suggest you use that system. Until then you do not have the right to ignore the 2nd anymore than you do the 1st or 3rd.

    Why not? Once guns are dealt with something else will be the leading cause of death and you people will want to fix that next.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speaking of pesky details:

    From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable. And it is richly deserved.
    --Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY), 1965

    You won't find any gun grabbers touching THAT, much less the ones peddling gun control in the Democratik party. To address the failure of their social welfare policies poses an existential threat to the only thing they care about - power.
     
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    Hey Nonny Mouse Well-Known Member

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    Not being able to use the right name for the party suggests that facts are not the priority here.
     
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    really? ... what a stupid question ...
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How kind would you expect us to be to the authoritarian party of the USA?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But the human misery and mental illness that drove the person to the action is still there. The shooting is just the symptom. We need to focus on the what drives people to this. Focusing on the gun aspect just prolongs the problem.
     
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    I'm not buying the entertainment industry playing a part in it, because the same movies, TV shows and video games we have here are circulating in almost every country on the planet.

    That I can agree with. Mandatory military service would sort them out in a matter of months.

    Nonsense. If it was a welfare policy problem, then European welfare states would have a much bigger problem than us, but they don't.
     
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    Gun Free Zone = Shooting Range
     
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    Should we kick out all the Muslims with names like "Ahmad Alissa"?
     
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    Solution: arm the people.
    When about 50% of American adults carry concealed handguns public shootings will become very rare very fast.
     
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    Your permit to carry is renewed about every 5 years. So, you do go through a background check each time.

    Do you get a permit to have a child? That is a direct influence on another human being, not a maybe, not a limited situation.
     
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    So 'you' feel you have the right to judge if a person has a 'good' reason to protect themselves?
     
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    In fact, every kind of firearm is easy for criminals to obtain in Sweden.
     
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    Nah, most mass-shooters dont care if they live or die. As a matter of fact, most of them expect to die, and even want to die.
     
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    I don't think that has anything to do with the availability of guns. I think it has more to do with the nations priorities. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but I see Sweden and other nordic countries regularly ranking high in terms of happiness. I think this has to do with the mindset of the people, not the availability of firearms. I'm sure there is something we can learn from Sweden, but I don't think removal of guns is it.
     
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    If this is a 21 year old who it appears potentially may be a radicalized Muslim then I am not sure getting rid of guns is going to be as soft a target as Democrats hope.
     
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    Baloney. Most of them are captured alive.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you figure that on your own or did someone have to tell you?
    As a soldier, I swore a lot myself. Probably more than you.
    Does include revolting against a government that tries to amend the Constitution by Democratic process?
     
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    Gosh, you're really smart!

    Do you base your "doubt" on personal experience in the corridors of political power or by eavesdropping on Saturday night drunks?
     
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    No, not "easy". I wouldn't know where to start looking. Anyway, the point is on primitive behaviour compared to civilized behaviour and that marks the difference between Sweden and the U.S. "It's not the gun that kills, it's the person pulling the trigger who kills" is the common expression. So to stop or reduce shotoing deaths should guns be in the hands of Americans or Swedes?
     
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    And what does focusing on the spelling of that party suggest about your priorities, hmm?
     
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    I don't think so.
    Yes, the problem is with the society. Sweden, and other Nordic countries simply do not have as many people so full of hate and resentment that they'd resort to mass-murder.
     
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    Yes, that is true. Not all are race relateed. There are so many crimes that are getting out of hand.
     
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    All on my own. If you were to read the Constitution you too could have some basic knowledge.

    Doubtful as most soldiers are just *******. That is why they joined the Army and not the Corps.

    Why would it?

    I base it on my 56 plus years of life experiences. I do not believe there are 38 state legislatures that would approve removing the 2nd nor would there be 38 state conventions that agreed to it.
     

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