Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

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  1. dharbert

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    The problem is the culture and society in general. We currently have a generation of pansy asses that get their feelings hurt over the smallest thing and feel they have to resort to violence. It also doesn't help that a certain political party does it's best to convince various segments of society that they are perpetual victims from **** that happened hundreds of years ago. In the 50's 60's and 70's we didn't have "entertainers" rapping about slapping hoes, murdering people and doing drive-by's. Now that **** is everywhere. We have a society where a lot of parents don't stay together, children in broken homes, never had a father present, and have no one to guide them or teach them right from wrong. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem...
     
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    Okay we have to get to the fundamental reasons people want to commit such an act. I'm sure there are many but here are a few. Often these are men and boys. So there is probably part of this that comes from being disaffected. They either don't know or don't have his relationships with their fathers so likely a result of a broken home.

    Something that would go a long way to helping this and many other crimes is focus on children in their formative years.

    Are you really sure you want to do this. It's going to involve putting aside petty squabbling about politics.
    First and foremost nobody has the best solution we as people must discover it together. So in order to find them we have to put them before all of our differences of opinions. We most communicate. We must be mature. Nothing is off limits of it upsets some ideology a person might have that ideology must be ignored.


    But it's disproven and debunked. I'll show you right now. Hundreds of millions of people watch moves and play games but don't kill people. So the link doesn't exist it's just a convenient "devil" to blame to avoid what I stated just above.

    It most certainly is an excuse. If you want to incessantly harp on it because you feel something, you aren't ready for this discussion.
    Video games were scapegoats for parents that didn't want their kids playing them. You can't have your own alternative agenda if you care to find an actual solution.
     
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    So it isn't video games. It's people that aren't responsible that can't or don't exercise good judgment, that fail to adhere, develop or poses a constructive value system. Even if they didn't play video games they would likely have issues.

    Figure out where those issues come from then you'll be on the verge of formulating a solution.
     
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    The issue is that when people are combined with guns.........there can be a problem. But you raise some valid societal points.
     
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    Two officers killed in shooting at Virginia college; suspect in custody

    A person was in custody after two campus police officers were shot and killed at a private liberal arts college in Virginia on Tuesday, a college official said. Bridgewater College, west of Washington, D.C., was locked down for about three hours after the shooting.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...qvUpc+SStodauykrQmo+tRplxvo0TwxV+ARJKERMmAQAA
     
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    'Person of interest' named in NYC subway shooting that wounded 10 people and injured 13 others

    New York City police said a man named Frank James was a person of interest in the shooting aboard a subway train in Brooklyn on Tuesday morning. James rented a U-Haul truck, the keys of which were found at the scene of the shooting, police said.

    The shooter fired 33 shots, wounding 10 people and injuring 13 others who fled the gunfire, officials said. Police said they do not know whether James was the gunman.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...0zFiYmVZEa8s1E1LC1Ju4mpb7NI/Gil+4mHzeHwEAAA==
     
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    10 people were shot, two others injured in a shooting at a South Carolina mall

    Ten people were shot and two others injured after at least one person opened fire at a South Carolina mall Saturday afternoon, police said. Three people were detained for questioning and police said preliminary information indicates random shoppers were not the intended targets.

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    And...?
     
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    Would up being a black guy.
    2 days later, the story is gone.
     
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    Pretty easy to figure out actually. European countries? Five to ten years older 85 to 95% That nationality. Same with Japan.
     
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    Everyone focuses on mass shootings. There were 1,000 mass shooting deaths in the past 20 years but there are 45,000 gun deaths per year, half of them suicides. Mass shootings are nothing really in the big picture.
     
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    Multiple victims reported, person detained in California church shooting

    Multiple people were shot Sunday in a church in Orange County, California, and a person was in custody, authorities said. The Orange County Sheriff’s Department reported the shooting in the city of Laguna Woods, a retirement community in the south part of the county, on its Twitter account Sunday afternoon.

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    This "big" picture.............seems to represent a despicable attitude and culture............as a whole .when it relates t gun violence, mass shootings etc.

    No one is discussing the various contributing factors...........such a mental unhealth , the fanatical attitudes about gun "rights", a culture that accepts a high tolerance of gun violence........and violence in general.............There seems to be an addiction to weapons in this country.........and the only "life" that really matters is the embryo in an unwanted pregnancy. Everyone else is fair game as targets of the mentally unhinged.

    The shooter had psych problems.........and even though was briefly assessed...........probably was not followed up . .......as mental health is not a priority in this country.........and is still stigmatized in places.

    This teen is someone who slipped through the cracks.......... as happens all too often. until their delusions take full form and they act on them.

    Racism of any kind is delusional thinking. ......
     
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    Shooting at a Texas elementary school leaves 14 students and a teacher dead, governor says

    An 18-year-old man opened fire at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, killing 14 students and a teacher, Gov. Greg Abbott said.

    The gunman is also dead, he said.

    Videos taken by a bystander show scores of armed officers at the scene while others flee the school.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/u...qJSfQNC3+SsuDBf5JHQMlchv7&bt_ts=1653427539151


    Only in this country is it.........unsafe to attend school and buy groceries.


    Meanwhile at gun shows..... Military style weapons are being raffled off as a "door prize."

    sheer insanity.........

    more thoughts and prayers and flags at half mast...............until this repeats itself in the next month or less.

    ow many mass shootings has "gun ownership" prevented?? We see regularly how many it creates

    The repetition of these shootings is the definition of insanity....This insanity is part of the culture itself. A culture that seems t promote hate, aggression, hostility, bias........and violence. with an attitude of entitlement.

    A culture that cries morality about a "life" when it comes to abortion.........but has a high tolerance for killing children. and adults
     
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    Suicides are irrelevant.
     
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    Of course mass shootings are the focus as they are sensational...

    But not to worry........ as more and more mass shootings occur..........they will lose that sensational component as they are becoming the norm.

    Perhaps the other big concern is the ineffective mental health system.............where folks that are potentially prone to violence fall between the cracks.

    The current shooter was 18 yoa........... so where was his support system?? his family??
     
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    It's incredibly frustrating because what can we do about it? Nothing. The potential solutions are:

    1. Take guns away from everyone. Won't work because we have a fundamental right to protect ourselves. Also, there is no chance of taking all guns out of existence. That's why progressive politicians only talk about taking legal guns; they know there is no chance of confiscating illegal guns. That's also why they make a big deal out of it when there is a shooting by someone who uses a gun purchased legally, but when some crook in Chicago guns down ten people you don't hear a peep out of Biden and his cronies.
    2. Red flag laws. Law enforcement can't arrest people for things they think they might do; they have to wait for a crime to occur. In some cases, sad...but, in a free country, as we call this one, we can't go down that road. And for every person who says they are going to shoot someone and actually does it, there are probably a thousand who are just blowing off steam.
    3. Get rid of social media. Frankly, this would be fine with me. Most of these narcissists seem to be building their courage, not to mention getting ideas from social media. But, reality creeps in. How many people would actually be ok with precious Facebook and Twitter and chats just going away?
    4. Get rid of video games. Again, ok with me. But do we really want to tell entrepreneurs what they may sell and what they may not?
    5. Reopen the long-term and semi-long-term mental institutions. This is my favorite solution. They say the Buffalo shooter went to school for a week wearing a hazmat suit. Most institutions have been closed (by your typical bleeding hearts) in favor of county hospitals that keep people for a 48 hour limit for "observation." But...the long term facilities had many examples of abuse. Do we want to return to that? I don't know.
    6. Make our schools into prisons. With metal detectors and bars on windows and bolt locks on the doors and armed guards. I'll leave that up to parents, because, again, I don't know.

    Beyond these solutions, most of which would be effective only in making some of us feel better, I don't think there is anything we can do, except brutal penalties for those who commit these atrocious crimes, if they don't kill themselves or are killed by law enforcement first.
     
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    There is no incentive to do anything about it. The gun genie is out of the bottle.........and weapons have become a part of the country's cultural and psychological state. The gun lobby is just too powerful now......


    Seems that most are prepared to live with it............



    Maybe there is too much emphasis on this "self protection" issue as it is the excuse for gun ownership ............ and abuse. abuse


    Why not focus on getting a good home security system ............and learning some self defense skills??

    Each time this happens..... we hear the same platitudes, the same words of sympathy , the same " speeches, the same "toughs and prayers" line

    the same "something has to be done about this".................... but nothing changes........except the lives lost and the devastation on their respective families.
     
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    Biden delivers exasperated message to Congress: ‘When in God’s name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?’

    President Joe Biden on Tuesday delivered emotional remarks from the White House and condemned the gun lobby after a mass shooting at a Texas elementary school killed at least 14 children. Without calling for Congress to take up specific legislation, Biden said, "We have to act, and don’t tell me we can’t have an impact on this carnage." Democrats, however, face near-unanimous GOP opposition to passing any gun control measures.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...647DRmVtDrN2k5UprKjpJGrHcxDzBpv4An+NpIyEBAAA=


    an aside but an 18 yr old can buy assault rifles but can't drink (alcohol) until he is 21 in Tx. Go figure.
     
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