Current results of Sweden's approach

People go to bars when they feel like it. Voluntary abstinence does not equal government imposed shutdown through fines and imprisonment!!
Belgium still retains it’s dishonorable status as the largest death state from c-19 in spite of strictly enforced shut downs. And even if you look at the deaths as a function of population it is still extremely low.
I know you are afraid of this virus which is bewildering given the low level of mortality (stop being so craven as it is unattractive) but human technology still can’t compete against nature’s relentless pursuit and humans have only one predator now and that is microorganisms.

The virus is going to infect you guy. Just like it did me.

It won’t let you hide as no matter how high you count

 

Do you understand proportions at all? Even a little bit? Then can you see how small this is juxtaposed against cancer, heart disease and starvation just to name a few actually significant threats to human life?
Direct your laser attention to these significant threats and disregard the minor threats that the media makes it’s money on. Use your brain!

 

Let me ask you again
Do you really believe if NYC had done nothing, like Sweden, they would have had 26,000 fewer deaths?

 

Sure. It's gone from 0 to number 3 in the US.
Do you have a point with that?

 

Hmm.. so those are conflicting standards. And frankly, lots of places fit the CDC guidelines. The question was, if you follow the standards, and you distance, and mask, why should interactions with others be a danger? You said "don't hang out in close proximity to people who don't live in your house", but if you're masked and distanced, why does that matter? For that matter, do you practice that in your own home? Given that the vast majority of infections happein within the household. Your advice seems conflicted.

 

Well, not sending old folks off to the nursing home morgues probably would have had more impact....

 

No I believe that the virus will take who it wills. And New York has achieved herd immunity as its dense population has made that a fact, now it is moving through the rest of the US and the human immune response will rip it apart there,

 

Yes my point is that it affects the first exposed first. China is done with it and Europe is almost done with it and the US will be soon done with it. Herd immunity sir! If you are talking about R nought do I really need to refute it a third time??

 

Especially in NY where Cuomo forced the sick into nursing homes killing the elderly and now lying about it and blocking independent investigations to find out the true number of nursing home deaths. Now, NYC, with the most by far deaths in the US, is no longer getting sick or dying because they kind of did exactly what Sweden did.

 

I went off the article, sorry if I misread it.

 

Also not putting sick people into nursing homes.

 

I misread the population of Sweden, my bad. Here are stats from the same organization. NY death rate is 16.9 per 10M. Sweden death rate is 6.94 per 10M. Difference...NY locked down and sent ill people to nursing homes.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

 

No it’s just that Viruses don’t care about studies and articles but rather about infecting cells that will allow them to reproduce. Physical walls mean nothing to them as they can enter any space through human shoes or hands. This is why vets say that vaccinations of cats is so important even if they never go outside. Viruses are ubiquitous. They are literally every where. Primates, felines, canines, whatever!

 

No, I misread the population of Sweden as 100M instead of 10M.

 

There is just way too much misinformation. People freak out about the raw numbers but Sweden has about 10 million and the US about 330 million and 17 million in the Netherlands and 126 million in Japan so proportions really matter. I would say the Netherlands is the winner in Europe and Japan the winner in Asia and the US and the rest of the Western Hemisphere still to be decided as well as Africa.
When it is over, then we might have a model!

 

Sweden had it’s own nursing home issues

 

Still failing.
The death toll per million for Sweden is more than 10 times that of it’s neighbors for no economic gain
Huge fail

 

Sweden took the long term approach and it seems to be working as the numbers between the countries you mention and Sweden narrow The trend seems to be in Sweden’s favor.

 

Well thank you. You made my point. The US is full of large high density cities. Sweden has 1.
And that is why we can't do it the same way as Sweden.

 

It will be done in Sweden soon enough.
Amsterdam is pretty densely packed but the virus tended to center near noord Brabant which is less densely populated. And Tokyo is very densely packed and had fewer cases so maybe density isn’t the issue. It’s hard to know for sure

 

I think Florida just past New York in nursing home deaths at 6700.

 

Again...the infections and deaths are MANY time higher for Sweden than their neighbors who did lock down and mitigate...and their return on that policy?

An economy as screwed or worse than their neighbors

 

Do I need to give this a number to save typing?
Let me ask you again
Do you really believe if NYC had done nothing, like Sweden, they would have had 26,000 fewer deaths?

 

Since the onset of the crisis, Florida has taken a piecemeal approach to testing at nursing homes. In May, Gov. Ron DeSantis rejected a suggestion by the White House Coronavirus Task Force and its coordinator, Dr. Deborah Birx, that all residents and staff at long-term care facilities be tested immediately.

He said at the time that the state didn’t have the resources to conduct the same kind of widespread testing that was occurring in other states,

 

My understanding is that New York conflates merely presumed cases and deaths into their statistics so it is impossible to say how many lives we are truly talking about.

It seems that people would rather talk about numbers rather than proportions because it sounds more dramatic.

I’m sure if you do the math you will find the proportions of death and the consequent “danger” of this virus to be very low.

I was fortunate enough to be in Amsterdam during this and while bars and restaurants were closed most everything else stayed open. And the Netherlands did way better than most of its neighbors.

We already talked about Japan so my point is that it doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense to lock everything down.