DACA compromise I'd be OK with.

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  1. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know, I'm not a Congresscritter.

    I don't support adding something like immigration to a short term spending bill. That's disingenuous, immigration is a bit too complex to simply add on to any bill, it needs to be separate. Its doing garbage like this that is making everything worse.

    DACA isn't going to pass, its an election year. I said as much last year, Democrats missed the boat on this and now they'll pay for it. Nothing wrong with that. There simply is no leverage for DACA...
     
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    Yes...kids who signed up for DACA are being deported in spite of the fact that they have kept THEIR part of the bargain
     
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    If you're going to claim "I don't know, I'm not a Congresscritter"...your opinions on how Congress does things is moot.

    Thanks for playing
     
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    Thank you for confirming my suspicions, that illegal aliens are indeed being deported. Excellent news.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here I thought we were talking about why DACA is dead. That's actually game over and your side lost...
     
  6. Bow To The Robots

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    Believe it or not, there have been 35 million removals since 1987.
     
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    Former slaves were opposed to the law that said they were 3/5th of a person when counting representation. Just because a law exists, doesn't make it good. Nor does it mean a person is "opposed to the rule of law" as you so disingenuously put it. Again, you offer no solution or compromise. Just a wish to throw people in jail that you fear.
     
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    Here I thought you were talking about Congress doing it's job but apparently you know nothing about that because "you're not a Congresscritter".
     
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    In his for-show television broadcast a couple weeks ago in a vain attempt to prove his leadership abilities and willingness to compromise, Trump said, "This should be a bill of love. Truly, it should be a bill of love and we can do that." He was talking about the Dreamers.

    At another meeting, Trump said, “We love the Dreamers. We love everybody … We think the Dreamers are terrific.”

    Of course, that has all changed. Now he is using the Dreamers as bait to lure the Democrats into supporting the wall. "Cryin' Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA," Trump wrote in a tweet Tuesday night. "We must have safety and security, together with a strong military, for our great people!" he added.

    Trump's idea of "safety and security" is the wall, and what the military has to do with DACA is anyone's guess other than the fact that a number of Dreamers are in the military.

    Here is what is interesting. Most Americans approve DACA legislation, and most Americans do not approve the wall. Two-thirds of Republicans favor DACA, and most Republican lawmakers disapprove of the wall.

    Trump has told us what the wall is not. It is not a 2,000-mile brick wall. Unfortunately, he has not told us or Congress what the wall is, exactly.

    All of this begs an interesting question. If by Feb. 8, the Republicans have not agreed to some kind of legislation legalizing the Dreamers, what are they going to do with the 800,000 Dreamers? Ship them all back?

    Will the Democrats finally become weary of broken promises from Trump, McConnell, and Ryan and shut down the government? What will it take to turn the lights back on this time? Another promise?

    Another deadline is March 5. Will the Democrats agree to that deadline?

    How many C.R.'s are we going to have before the Republican-led government can come up with a budget?
     
  10. Bow To The Robots

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    Your facile attempt to conflate slavery with reasonable immigration controls and laws against smuggling illegal aliens truly betrays the abject infirmity of your pallid argument.

    Of course it does. You want to give these people a waiver because they enjoy your sympathy. Yet they are all guilty - every last one of them - of multiple felony offenses, the least of which is alien smuggling. Your position contains not a shred of objectivity. You are wrong. You know you are wrong. Yet you will continue to pretend you are not.

    Ah, yeah nice baseless presumption. I wish to throw people in jail who break the law. How about coming up with a superior argument instead of assailing my character.
     
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  11. Bow To The Robots

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    The parents are guilty of alien smuggling. The kids did nothing wrong. Mom and dad spend some time in federal prison, pay the fines, and the kids get to stay and enjoy the benefits of a nation they have no business being present in. Simple.
     
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    Get rid of all of them - the sooner they're gone, the better off we'll all be.

    Build the wall, build it tall and build it strong - put electrified barbed wire at the top.
    We have Canada and all 23 of its citizens to our north.
    We have the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans on the East and West..
    We need a barrier to the south.
     
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    Actually his parents should be prosecuted under 8 U.S. Code § 1324 "Bringing in and Harboring Certain Aliens." Since there is no doubt as to their guilt, they have no defense.
     
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    Shouldn't anyone who uses illegal immigrant labor be prosecuted under that statute? Whether it's cutting up chickens or drywalling the basement?
     
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    Only if there is evidence that they were involved in the actual smuggling. Otherwise, they can be prosecuted under IRCA: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-100/pdf/STATUTE-100-Pg3445.pdf

    That law prescribes fines of up to $16,000 per occurrence and possible jail time for any employer who knowingly hires a person not authorized for employment n the United States.

    One need not look further than the piss-poor enforcement against employers (until now, possibly, as last week's coordinated raids show) as evidence that the fix is in.
     
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    Yup. No one is actually serious about this.

    It's all political posturing
     
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    If I saw an argument, i'd attempt to engage you. However, this is simply a troll post with no possibility of ever happening. You know that, so this is just a disingenuous exercise on your part. You know there's absolutely zero chance all those people are going to be thrown in jail, so you can drop the pretense that you have a solution to anything but right wing wet dreams.

    Enjoy your thread.
     
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    Well, I will admit that I was mistaken on the LENGTH of time she worked. I misread the dates and thought it was over a year. It was only a few months, but, yes, there is evidence.

    She came to the US using a tourist visa in early 1996, and got her work visa on October 18 of 1996. She did 10 paid modeling jobs for Trump between September 10 and and October 15 of 1996, prior to having a valid work visa. And, as I stated before, without a visa, she wouldn't have had the legal documentation needed to be put on a payroll, and as such the payments for these jobs would have been under the table, most likely as personal checks or cash. Now, Trump could have gotten away with calling her a "independent contractor". This would allow him to pay her cash for her work legally, since it's the contractor's, not the employer's, responsibility to ensure all legal documentation is acquired. Trump wouldn't need proof that she was legal in order to hire her. She, however, would have gotten in a lot of trouble for working without a visa. Legally, she could have her citizenship revoked for not disclosing that she had previously worked illegally in the US during her naturalization process, though that is highly unlikely, since those punishment is usually reserved for people who lie about connections to terrorism (such as being related to a known terrorist) or other such things. Though, stance she and her husband take on illegal immigration, the fact that she worked illegally could do a lot of damage, though I am 100% sure that none of the Trump cultists will believe any of this, and that they would still call it "fake news" even if Jesus himself came down from heaven and told them it was true.

    https://www.apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d
     
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    No illegal alien criminals would have been thrown in jail in the past, you are right about that. Amd that’s a big part of the reason we have the current problem - because people like you who do not believe in the rule of law saw fit to give millions of immigration criminals a pass. You are sympathetic to them, hence you lack objectivity. You and several million of your fellow travelers, and of course the illegals themselves who now feel comfortable marching in our streets demanding “rights” they never had and don’t deserve.

    But let me remind you there’s a new sheriff in town... his name is Donald J. Trump and by all measures he’s the first president in modern history to take on the illegals and their sycophants. Hell, just yesterday his DOJ announced they will put asshats like Garcetti, Bloomberg, and Emanuel in prison for violation of the Supremacy Clause if they continue to thwart law enforcement efforts to root out illegals in their jurisdictions. My idiot governor Jerry Brown is on that list, too. Rest assured.

    So no, this is not a troll post. I am not trying to get a rise out of you. I am trying to get illegal aliens out of my country.
     
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    I read the whole story - I don’t see where it says she worked for Trump. Also the last paragraph states the firm Metropolitan International Management deducted taxes - as you noted above, how could this be possible if she did not have a TIN?
     
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    Show me where he has cracked down on employers and that might be true.

    He hasn't and that isn't
     
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    Earlier in the month, ICE executed a series of coordinated raids on 7-11 stores around the country. This is exactly the kind of action that will cause business operators to review their hiring practices and confirm their I-9 compliance.
     
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    The 3 or 4 of them who were aware of it and what it meant - sure.
     
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    According to the story, the modelling agency used two different names for her real name, and an alias she sometimes used for work. Under one name she made money and paid taxes, and under another she did not, The firm's ledges have them sorted as two different people. She worked under one name before she got her visa, and then used her real name on the visa itself, and for all work after she received her visa.

    I was mistaken about the modeling jobs being for Trump. I misread one of the statements.
     
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    Oh nice. This post didn't have enough racism already. Thanks for being that guy. Noted for future reference not to take you seriously.
     
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