Davis School District updates investigation into Izzy Tichenor bullying allegations

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...ation-into-izzy-tichenor-bullying-allegations

So this young lady committed suicide in my home state. Not my district but it’s prevalently in my local news. I’m at a wash on this in a way. I was bullied in school growing up. At her age I was even stabbed by a Samoan kid in my school bathroom. It wasn’t a knife but it was a sharp pencil. Luckily he hit my sternum and did not cause anything but just a little bit of bloodshed. Still to this day I don’t know why he did that. I was also bullied to the point I learned how to fight pretty good. Sooner or later kids stopped bullying me because I stood up for my self.

However before I got to that point I recall coming home and crying to have my mom yell at me and smack me for crying about it. I never thought about suicide as a serious option. I think that thought crosses more peoples minds than you think (including mine) but most never take it seriously.

I think bullying built me in a positive light that led me to where I am now. It taught me that I needed to fix my own problems because no one will solve them but me. I actually attribute that mind set to many successes in my life. To never give up is a great attitude to have. Suicide is giving up and I’m not sure you can blame that on anyone but the individual who gave up on themselves.

This opinion is probably in the minority. I doubt everyone had the same experience as me growing up so I doubt most will understand but that’s how I feel about it.

 

Thanks for posting.
I hadn't heard about this.

They really seem to be playing up a lot of angles about this school having a history of racist bullying.
Complaints that were ignored, etc...

https://www.insider.com/utah-girl-d...doj-report-said-school-ignored-racism-2021-11

Kids today just face a lot more pressure than those of older generations.

Some kids might look at suicide differently today, than previous generations.
It sucks, but it is what it is.

And, in general terms, many suicides of people slightly older (say 11-17) are fueled by social media and social media bullying.

Stuff that kids didn't have to deal with 25 years ago.

The School District obviously has a lot to answer for.

 

Not everybody is made the same way or as strong. I myself was bullied as child and also abused sexually and psychologically, yet here I am, nearing retirement with a bacclaureat in computer science, a house and a nice retirement package. My brother on the other end is a drunk and drug user and would be homeless if the government didn't pay for 2/3 of his rent... My second brother ended up hanging himself at 33. Funny enough, that brother was the tough one, the rocker, the one you could depend on in a fight.

So as I said we're not made all the same.

 

That’s true. I just think everyone has hard times. So I don’t think that is the sole reason for suicide. I don’t think bullying is as detrimental in these choices as they may seem. I think there are underlying issues as well. This young lady was somewhat autistic the article claims and I believe the mental state of that type of person may be a larger part of the equation

 

you got to be careful with those MSM articles. They claim racism but never actually say it was directed towards her. The local news actually claims she was bullied for the most part for her autistic traits.

I don’t live in that area so I’m not sure the racial issues the may or may not have. So I’m not saying they don’t exist but I’m not saying they exist either. None of these articles give examples of complaints that were so called ignored. It may be someone complaining that someone recognized them as black. I have no idea. The DOJ under Presidents like Biden who is actively trying to oppress whites I tend not to believe 100%. Biden has denied COVID assistance to farmers based on race (being white). So I’m not so sure this DOJ isn’t acting on the same prejudice

 

I'm certain your experience is what we call anecdotal.

But the “bullying toughens you up” mantra is precisely the nonsense that schools used to justify horrible people to walk their halls. So don't be shocked when bullied kid unloads magazines of bullets into the school when he has had enough of being “toughened up” by his peers.

 

Shock and trauma leave echos of violence. I hate to say this, but I worry that you learned the wrong lessons from the violence from your childhood. Violence does not make you stronger, it makes you weaker. I'm sorry this happened to you, and I hope it helps bring peace. Why not keep informing us of this story? I would love to hear more about it.

 

It may be anecdotal to you, it’s fact to me. But I see how you are shrugging off all those who have survived bullying. I suppose those examples don’t count or should not be taken into consideration being we were not weak enough to kill ourselves.

 

I definitely will. I don’t like to see this either.

 

Thank you. I hope talking about this can help you find closure.

 

I don’t need closer. I’m good. Just a local topic

 

I believe the difference today is that the bullying follows the 'target' around 24/7 because of the advent of social media and it's impact on our youth. You simply can't escape it now. And yes, you must push back even harder.

 

Not every bullied person kills themselves. Some shoot up schools, some become perfectly successful human beings, others become miserable people. It doesn't mean you were “stronger”. Strength had zero ****s to do with it.

I wouldn't know about being bullied though. Helps when you call the county sheriff Dad.

 

I think it can produce both Either or, possibly both, depending on your definition of "weaker" and "stronger". Some people seem strong, but are close to breaking on the inside. Others could appear weaker, but have a strong internal resolution.
Bullying is as old as anything else, I think. The stronger picking on the weaker, I believe, is the inspiration for many of the lessons from the Bible.
We need to all do our part to have a positive effect on bullying and protecting those who may not be great at protecting themselves. Also, to tamp down these behaviors when we get the chance.

 

This isn't the thread to have that discussion. If you want to, go make another to talk about this topic.

 

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I am just saying that had this been a 10 y/o autistic White Girl, the fallout wouldn't be as volitale.

This is some info from the report and the District is about 1% Black and 1% Asian:

The department’s review, which focused on 2015-2020, found hundreds of documented uses of the N-word, among other racial epithets, derogatory racial comments, and physical assaults targeting district students at dozens of schools. The department concluded that for years, Davis’s ineffective response left students vulnerable to continued harassment and that students believed the district condoned the behavior. The department also found that Davis disciplined Black students more harshly than their white peers for similar behavior and that Davis denied Black students the ability to form student groups while supporting similar requests by other students. Black and Asian-American students are each roughly 1 percent of the approximately 73,000 students enrolled in the district.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...medy-severe-racial-harassment-black-and-asian

 

I have no clue why people started getting super depressed but I do remember hearing about how upper class white kids were starting to have high suicide rates in the mid 80s. The 90's grunge started this torrent of depressing, kill yourself, music. Heroine started to come back in style that has seemingly disappeared after the hippy era and everyone saw how it killed so many people. Since I've never come close to contemplating suicide, I have never been able to understand it. Does it correlate to the change in parenting styles that went away from spanking and moving to participation trophies? Is it because schools have removed a lot of the programs that gave kids a high sense of self worth? I don't know and I'm sure that no research would admit to it if it were.

 

Ok, thanks??!?!?!?
I was responding directly to your post. I'm a little confused by your response.

 

Middle school and high school years are a time of hormones and social turmoil
....kids are more vulnerable for depression in these times I think. I was socially inept, somewhat immature for my age and those were hard times. Don't remember strong bullying but was definitely made fun of. Went through terrible depression....seemingly for years. Funny thing is I didn't realize I was in a depression even though every night I was in tears and hated life. I think we should be aware...I believe kids should learn to deal with problems but we should take seriously kids that might be in trouble. AND...school life is 100% different then when you get out in the real world. It's not like you are ruining a child by helping them deal with bullying.

 

Bullying is an issue for sure.

Can it toughen people up? Some people yes.

Can it break some and cause suicide? Some people yes.

Should it exist? No.

Will it always exist? Almost certainly, even adults partake in it including those who vehemently speak out against it. Look how Trump supporters have been treated for years now by the "tolerant" left, how anti maskers are treated, etc. It doesn't take much to justify to yourself why its ok to mistreat others.

My stance, when it happens and is provable. Fair action should be taken to punish the wicked and assist the victims.

 

Well...IF You Aren't a Fan of Bullying..
And, IF you really want to go down that Road...

Here is a Shining Example of the Height of HYPOCRISY:

Melania Trump accused of hypocrisy over anti-bullying speech

"She's married to the biggest bully on the planet. Her silence about his bullying condones
his actions"

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a43921/melania-trump-anti-bullying-speech/

You're Welcome...

 

Are you talking about her being a hypocrite or the media for bullying her the whole time she was in the White House?

 

Trump stands up to the leftist bullies.

Standing up to bullies is something I love and Trump did that the best.

I can't help that you choose to be on the side of those who abuse others who disagree with them. The left are the bullies and that has been demonstrated over the last few years.

In fact, seeing members of the left complain about bullying is the height of hypocrisy.

 

While I agree with you on the overall idea, Trump is a horrible example. He received most of his "bullying" because he started off bullying people.
Imo, he got what he asked for. But yes, the political bullying gets way out of hand.

 

and of course, Moolk has to make the issue partisan ... get a new hobby man ...