Dawkins, Scientific Atheism is a Fallacy & Intellectually Dishonest?

CourtJester · Oct 28, 2017

Kokomojojo said: ↑

whats the difference? My religion is open. Do you think all religions are the same with the same rules?
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Are you confusing open with open ended? From the Marrion Webster dictionary:

Definition of open-ended
:not rigorously fixed: such as
a :adaptable to the developing needs of a situation b ermitting or designed to permit spontaneous and unguided responses

It would be a very rare religion that could posdibly meet that definition.

BillRM · Oct 28, 2017

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Like so many other people on this Earth, I was led to believe that Albert Einstein was the “Greatest” scientist that the world has ever known.

But just as so much of so-called ‘history’ has been fabricated in order to brainwash the public into believing myths that serve the parasitic controllers, so was Albert Einstein created into a mythic figure in order to support those ends.

Unfortunately, many generations of trusting students have been brainwashed into believing in this fraud, and hailed Einstein as a shinning example of scientific genius.

He was nothing of the sort. Einstein was a total fraud.
The Einstein Time Line (1)

1700

Newton predicts the deflection of light around the sun, something Einstein plagiarized as his 1911 prediction without even mentioning, much less citing, Newton.
1801 Johann Georg von Soldner publishes his predictions which Einstein plagiarizes as his own predictions 114 years later, never citing Soldner in “his” 1915 paper.
1827 78 years before Einstein gets credit for it, Robert Brown in Scotland explains Brownian Movement, yet Einstein never even cited him.
1878 James Maxwell in Scotland publishes Special Theory of Relativity in Encyclopedia Britannica, which Einstein then publishes as his own in 1905, without ever even citing Maxwell [it seems incomprehensible that Einstein could have copied an article from an encyclopedia, submitted it as his own work, and never get questioned by the hundreds of professors and publishers who must have reviewed it].
1879, March 14 Einstein born in Württemberg, Germany
1887 Michelson-Morley experiment suggests there is no ether, an observation made by Einstein in his 1905 papers in which he never even cited Michelson or Morley.
1888 Heinrich Hertz publishes his paper on the photoelectric effect, a paper which Einstein failed to cite.
1889 George Fitzgerald in Ireland publishes his paper about the theory of relativity, a paper which Einstein never even cited, even though Fitzgerald’s numerous collaborators did cite him.
1890 Ludwig Boltzmann of Austria and Josiah Gibbs of the US develop the Boltzmann Constant.
1892 Hendrik Lorentz in the Netherlands publishes the Lorentz Transformations.
1895 At age 16, Einstein fails a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich, Switzerland.
1896 At age 17, Einstein becomes a high school drop out, his German citizenship is revoked, and he enrolls in the Swiss Federal Polytechnic School in Zurich.
1898 Paul Gerber in Germany publishes the exact equations in Annalen der Physik (also in “Science of Mechanics”, a book that Einstein is known to have studied) which Einstein publishes 17 years later in 1915 as his “perihelion motion of Mercury”, in exactly the same journal, with no cites to Gerber, claiming that he was “in the dark”, only to confess in 1920 to his crime, under pressure.
1898 Poincare in France wrote the paper on the theory of relativity, which never mentions Einstein, which Einstein plagiarizes as one of his 1905 papers without ever citing Poincare.
1900 Max Planck and Wilhelm Wien of Germany develop the quantum theory which Einstein plagiarizes as his “Light Quantum” paper in 1905, never even citing either Planck or Wien.
1901 At age 22, after five years at Swiss Federal Polytechnic School, Einstein graduates with the lowest grade point average in the class, becomes a Swiss citizen, and gets the lowest ranking position an engineer could get in the patent office, technical assistant.
1902 Einstein sires his first mental mushroom, an illegitimate daughter Lieserl, who’s believed to have had Downs Syndrome and was put up for adoption.
1903 Olinto de Pretto publishes E=mc^2 in Atte, a scientific magazine known to be read by Einstein, which he later claimed as his own work, never citing de Pretto.
1904 Einstein sires his only normal child, Hans Albert, whose main claim to fame seems to have been to keep up his subscription to Applied Mechanics Review for 20 years.
1904 Friedrich Hasenohrl of Germany, citing J.J. Thomson of England and W. Kaufmann of Sweden, publishes E=mc^2 in the very same journal as Einstein plagiariazes it as his own in 1905, never citing any of the three.
1905 Philipp Eduard Anton von Lenard, under whom Einstein’s wife studied, received a Nobel Prize for discovering the photo-electric effect, which Einstein then completely plagiarizes the SAME year, presenting it as “his” paper, with no references to Lenard.
1905 June 5th, Poincarre publishes Sur la dynamique de l’electron, naming the Lorentz Transformations after Lorentz, and 25 days later, on June 30th, Einstein, failing to even cite Poincarre or Lorentz, presents it as his theory of relativity.
1905 At age 26, while still a low level technical assistant at the patent office, he publishes 4 groundbreaking essays in the field of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics in Annalen der Physik, gaining him a Ph.D. from the University of Zurich and worldwide support from Zionists. He includes his WIFE Marity’s name on the papers who is rumored to have done all his math for him, who he gave all the prize money.
1907 J. Precht says of Einstein’s ridiculous twist of logic “Perhaps it will prove possible to test this theory using bodies whose energy content is variable to a high degree (e.g., salts of radium)” that such an experiment “lies beyond the realm of possible experience”.
1909 At age 30, four years after getting his Ph.D, this “genius” is still a technical assistant at the patent office, so World Jewry arranges to promote him to associate professor at Zurich University.
1910 Einstein sires his second mental mushroom, Eduardo, who dies in a sanatorium in 1965.
1919, November 7 London Times begins the jew disinformation campaign, heralding Einstein as a “genius”
1915, November 20 David Hilbert presents his paper in Berlin, citing Marcel Grossmann, including precisely the same field equations that Einstein presents as his own equations 5 days later (2 weeks after it was known that Einstein had received a copy of Hilbert’s paper and that Hilbert hadn’t received a copy of Einstein’s paper). Dingle repudiates the special theory of relativity in 1972
1915, November 25 Einstein presents “his” paper and publishes the General Theory of Relativity based on the mathematics of Marcel Grossmann and Berhard Riemann, first to develop a sound non-Euclidean geometry, which is the basis of all mathematics used to describe relativity.
1921 Einstein’s first visit to the US to promote Zionism.
1922 Einstein receives a Nobel Prize concerning the photoelectric effect, something he plagiarized from Heinrich Hertz, but who Einstein never even cites.
1932, December 9 Einstein was denied a visa to visit the US because of his “communist connections”.
1955, April 18 Einstein dies.
1972 Herbert Dingle refutes the special theory of relativity which Einstein plagiarized from him in 1915.
1993 Peter Beckman writes that Special Relativity will eventually be dismissed.
1995 The Global Positioning Satellite “works fine”, in spite of Einsteinians’ concerns that they ignored Einstein’s “theories”.
1998, December 21 Tom Van Flandern publishes in Physics Letters A that the speed of gravity must be at least 20 billion times faster than the speed of light, disproving “Einstein’s” theories.
1999 Time Magazine puts Einstein on the front cover as “person of the century”, even though he wasn’t an American, he was an enemy foreign agent, the American public never viewed Einstein as even one of their most favorite 100 people of the year, much less the century, and the last picture we want on our coffee tables is one of a LYING PLAGIARIZING demagogue.
2000 Anedio Ranfagni proves that “Einstein’s theory” about the constant speed of light is wrong.

Einstein was/is a fraud who gives a **** what he says
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My lord there is no limit to the nonsense some of the religion will put out.

Given the length and the amount of false and or misleading information it would take days to tear it apart into small little pieces as it deserve.

A task I do not wish to assume I will just leave this news item.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41476648

The 2017 Nobel prize in physics has been awarded to three US scientists for the detection of gravitational waves.

Rainer Weiss, Kip Thorne and Barry Barish will share the nine million kronor (£831,000) prize.

The ripples were predicted by Albert Einstein and are a fundamental consequence of his General Theory of Relativity.

The winners are members of the Ligo-Virgo observatories, which were responsible for the breakthrough.

The winners join a prestigious list of 204
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footnote as far as the deflection of light is concern the question was never never that such event does happen but the amount of the deflections being not the same as it would be under a Newtonian universe model.

Yes I could go on and on but where ever the poster gotten this nonsense from it is complete nonsense.

Lord it hard to stop such as addressing the nonsense that he was an enemy agent.

While he had a long history of being a pacific, however going again this he started the American nuclear program by writing a letter to the president.

True Hoover did not trust him and so he was not allow to work at the Manhattan that his letter set off.

Kokomojojo · Oct 29, 2017

BillRM said: ↑

My lord there is no limit to the nonsense some of the religion will put out.

Given the length and the amount of false and or misleading information it would take days to tear it apart into small little pieces as it deserve.

A task I do not wish to assume I will just leave this news item.

footnote as far as the deflection of light is concern the question was never never that such event does happen but the amount of the deflections being not the same as it would be under a Newtonian universe model.

Yes I could go on and on but where ever the poster gotten this nonsense from it is complete nonsense.

Lord it hard to stop such as addressing the nonsense that he was an enemy agent.

While he had a long history of being a pacific, however going again this he started the American nuclear program by writing a letter to the president.

True Hoover did not trust him and so he was not allow to work at the Manhattan that his letter set off.
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sure takes us back to what they used to call the aether that pseudo science said cant exist. Ligos is more bs, like nikola tesla said, AE is a metaphysicist, not a physicist. In other words just because gravity can cause a wave to form in the liquid we call space does not mean that gravity is a wave.

Space_Time · Nov 4, 2017

Here's more:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/science-prove-god-doesn-apos-113114628.html

Science
Can Science Prove God Doesn't Exist? Vastness of Space Suggests There Is No Almighty Creator
Newsweek Emily Thomas,Newsweek Fri, Nov 3 5:31 AM MDT
This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.

Scientists now know that the universe contains at least two trillion galaxies. It’s a mind-scrunchingly big place, very different to the conception of the universe we had when the world’s major religions were founded. So do the astronomical discoveries of the last few centuries have implications for religion?

Over the last few decades, a new way of arguing for atheism has emerged. Philosophers of religion such as Michael Martin and Nicholas Everitt have asked us to consider the kind of universe we would expect the Christian God to have created, and compare it with the universe we actually live in. They argue there is a mismatch. Everitt focuses on how big the universe is, and argues this gives us reason to believe the God of classical Christianity doesn’t exist.

To explain why, we need a little theology. Traditionally, the Christian God is held to be deeply concerned with human beings. Genesis (1:27) states: “God created mankind in his own image.” Psalms (8:1-5) says: “O Lord … What is man that You take thought of him…Yet You have made him a little lower than God, And You crown him with glory and majesty!” And, of course, John (3:16) explains God gave humans his son out of love for us.

These texts show that God is human-oriented: human beings are like God, and he values us highly. Although we’re focusing on Christianity, these claims can be found in other monotheistic religions, too.

Not a human-oriented universe

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The Creation of Adam by Michelangelo. CC

If God is human-oriented, wouldn’t you expect him to create a universe in which humans feature prominently? You’d expect humans to occupy most of the universe, existing across time. Yet that isn’t the kind of universe we live in. Humans are very small, and space, as Douglas Adams once put it, “is big, really really big."

Scientists estimate that the observable universe, the part of it we can see, is around 93 billion light years across. The whole universe is at least 250 times as large as the observable universe.

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Our own planet is 93 million miles away from the sun. Earth’s nearest stars, the Alpha Centauri system, are four light years away (that’s around 25 trillion miles). Our galaxy, the Milky Way, contains anywhere from 100 to 400 billion stars. The observable universe contains around 300 sextillion stars. Humans occupy the tiniest fraction of it. The landmass of planet Earth is a drop in this ocean of space.

To paraphrase Adams, the universe is also really, really old. Perhaps over 13 billion years old. Earth is around four billion years old, and humans evolved around 200,000 years ago. Temporally speaking, humans have been around for an eye-blink.

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A universe where the Earth sits near the center. Unmismoobjetivo/CC

Clearly, there is a discrepancy between the kind of universe we would expect a human-oriented God to create, and the universe we live in. How can we explain it? Surely the simplest explanation is that God doesn’t exist. The spatial and temporal size of the universe gives us reason to be atheists.

As Everitt puts it:

The findings of modern science significantly reduce the probability that theism is true, because the universe is turning out to be very unlike the sort of universe which we would have expected, had theism been true.
Other explanations?

The fact that atheism is the simplest reply to the mismatch doesn’t mean that other explanations aren’t possible. Perhaps God exists but his motives for not creating humans sooner, or on a bigger scale, are unknowable. The divine is, after all, mysterious.

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Hubble's Pillars of Creation. NASA/ESA

Perhaps the swathes of space strung with gossamer nebulae serve some aesthetic purpose, beauty wrought on an inhuman scale. Or, perhaps, God exists but isn’t as human-oriented as we thought. Perhaps God values rocks and cosmic dust more highly than humans.

The problem with these rival explanations is that, as they stand, they are unsatisfying. They hint at reasons why God might create tiny humans in a gargantuan place but are a million miles away from fully explaining why. The weight of galaxies, and the press of years, seem to sweep us towards atheism.

Emily Thomas, Assistant Professor of Philosophy, Durham University
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Anobsitar · Nov 5, 2017

WillReadmore said: ↑

There are no dream castles (such as heaven) in atheism.
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A good analogy: There are no dreams at all in atheism. But atheists dream - or live in their own dreams - without knowing this. So they are often surprised by their own nightmares and give the fault for to others, who are able to understand dreams.

Anobsitar · Nov 5, 2017

BillRM said: ↑

... True Hoover did not trust him and so he was not allow to work at the Manhattan that his letter set off.
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Albert Einstein was pacifist. Hitler did not like him, Stalin did not like him, Hoover did not like him - and you don't like him. So what? Lots of idiots don't have any idea about physics and are not able to think transparent and clear. Where from did you buy your exchange brain? From Islamistsmania? Sure Einstein had supported Zionism - specially since 1933. Unfortunately to less people had supported this too in this time of history. Otherwise the world could be much more peaceful.

BillRM · Nov 5, 2017

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Albert Einstein was pacifist. Hitler did not like him, Stalin did not like him, Hoover did not like him - and you don't like him. So what? [/MEDIA]
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I suggest you go back and re-read my posts on the subject as my not likely Einstein and not respecting the man was never in any of my posts.

Anobsitar · Nov 5, 2017

BillRM said: ↑

I suggest you go back and re-read my posts on the subject as my not likely Einstein and not respecting the man was never in any of my posts.
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I read your bullshit.

ah sorry: As far as I see now it is the bullshit of @Kokomojojo. Sorry again.

It has absolutely nothing to do with reality what @Kokomojojo wrote. Einstein was not only the physicist who created a completely new - and still totally correct - theory about cosmology - he was also one of the most important obstetricians in the world of the new born quantum mechanics. Without any doubt Albert Einstein was one of the most important human beings ever had existed.

BillRM · Nov 5, 2017

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I read your bullshit. It has absolutely nothing to do with reality. Einstein was not only then physicist who created a completely new - and still totally correct - theory about cosmology - he was also one of the most important obstetricians in the world of the new born quantum mechanics.
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You seem to lack the ability to read clear postings of mine defending the gentleman from complete nonsense.

If you lack the ability to read and comprehend postings or to separate quoted materials from the text of the poster there seem little to gain by not blocking you.

Anobsitar · Nov 5, 2017

BillRM said: ↑

You seem to lack the ability to read clear postings of mine defending the gentleman from complete nonsense.

If you lack the ability to read and comprehend postings or to separate quoted materials from the text of the poster there seem little to gain by not blocking you.
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If you think so, @Kokomojojo.

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