Dear Mr. President.........an open letter to Joe.

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Once again, a Trump sycophant trying to accuse others of what Trump is actually guilty of.

    "Many of us have and continue to predict the ultimate black swan event that allows those around the senile defunct president to invoke something akin to martial law to allow democrats to suspend the election entirely. It's the only obvious option left to them where they end up still clinging to power."

    Trump has actually been INDICTED on these very charges...so his only defense? The only way to deflect?

    Accuse his opponent of wanting to do the same thing!!!!

    Any proof of this accusation? No. Any investigation into this accusation? No. Any indictment by a Grand Jury over these accusations? No.

    Trump has been accused, investigated and INDICTED over these charges...but they'll ignore that and, instead, bring false claims against Biden for the same stuff Trump has actually been indicted over.

    Many years ago saw something very funny on line...but now, sadly, has become true.

    "Trump turns out to be guilty of so many things that he accuses his opponents of that I'm now 95% convinced that Trump was born in Kenya"
     
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    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Got it.

    Just ignore the fact that Trump talked about the Continental Army seizing airports during the Revolutionary War.

    I wonder why?
     
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    So he’s reading the OP? Good to know, but care to back it up with anything?

    We would have medical results like cognitive tests to rely on except oh wait, Biden won’t release them. Shocker I know.

    In the meantime you got a really good side by side comparison of both candidates. By all means keep denying your lying eyes and think what you saw is all the same. Nobody but you believes it.
     
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    Quite a rant that had virtually nothing to do with the post it responded to. You think Trump invoked martial law? Wtf?

    You should calm down buddy. You are making zero sense
     
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    You got ONE night. It was awful for Biden, I'm not denying that.

    But you want to focus on that ONE night because if you try to broaden the scope then you get to see that Trump has just as many "cognitive issues" as Biden and that's a comparison that the Trump supporters don't want to make.

    To release the results means he would have to have taken the test. There is no indication that Biden has.

    In fact, when someone takes the test (which we KNOW Trump did) it's not part of a standard check up. In the vast majority of cases that test is administered when someone close to the patient asks the physician to administer the test because of observed issues that calls the patient's cognitive ability into question. Trump took the test, it means...most likely....that someone close to Trump felt it was necessary. He apparently passed. But it does not negate the fact that in all likelihood someone in Trump's inner circle thought he needed to take the test.

    Again, he talked about people seizing airports in the Revolutionary War!!!
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People misspeak all of the time. Being constantly under the microscope, literally every President that has ever existed has countless instances of such.

    People dont conclude that Grandpa has lost his sh^t because he misspeaks from time to time. They say he has lost his sh*t because he shows a long and established pattern of confusion. Biden has clearly lost his sh*t and even many Democrat politicians ( in addition to the leftist mainstream media) are now begrudgingly willing to say it out loud. One's party does not turn on their own very easily, especially a few months before an election. They only do so because this one is not even a close call.
     
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    No, I'm saying Trump initiated a plan to try and overturn the 2020 election. He's been freaking INDICTED over the plan. A grand jury examined the evidence and agreed that Trump attempted to illegally overturn the 2020 election.

    The fact that a significant number of people want him to be President again is something MOST people should be angry over...it makes zero sense.
     
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    And Trump has shown a long and established pattern of confusion.

    Confusion, fine. Say that Washington was at the Battle of Bunker Hill...that's "confusion"
    Saying that there were airports during the Revolutionary War goes far beyond "confusion"

    And the fact that the Republicans have not turned on Trump is amazing because it is, as you say, not even a close call.
    THAT is what convinces those that oppose Trump that Trump doesn't have followers....he has cultists.
     
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    Which President had no gaffes? Feel free to name him.

    There are gaffes and then there are the utterings of vegetables. You need to learn how to spot the difference.

    Btw, your side is in a massive civil war over Biden since the cat you’re trying to stuff in the bag is out now. Maybe instead of worrying about stuffing it back in to me, your efforts would be better suited to stuffing it in to them. They’re the ones with a lot more power than me to pressure your vegetable into not seeking re-election.
     
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    ....and yet the leftist mainstream media is not reporting on this in comparison to Biden while discussing Bidens obvious problems.

    Nonsense. It is hard to believe you honestly believe that, and if you do, you are simply lying to yourself. There is not a reasonable explanation for why the clearly leftist mainstream media would do that.
     
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    Indicted by Democrats, convicted by Democrats. Wow, so convincing.
     
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    Yes, the Democrats are currently hashing out what, if anything, needs to be done.

    Why?

    Because the Democrats are honest and open about their candidate.


    The Republicans have just fallen in line behind Trump DESPITE the many issues which should cause them to question THEIR candidate.

    Why?

    Because the GOP has ceased being a political party and is now just a cult.
     
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    Funny, you know the political make up of the Grand Jury? Where did you get your information?

    Because it's a GRAND JURY that indicts...not politicians, not special counsels, not the Attorney General...
     
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    So Biden has problems that your Party is open and honest about even though they haven’t been hashing anything out in all the years he’s been having them….

    And at the same time Biden doesn’t have problems and “it was just one bad night”

    You are contradicting the hell out of yourself.
     
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    And where did they draw their jury from? A pool of total Blue.

    You don’t draw from a pool of blue and get the color red buddy. You trying to suggest that it could be red and I need proof that it isn’t blue is not intellectually honest.
     
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    A ham sandwich.

    The reason that is such a well-traveled axiom is because if a prosecutor wants to get an indictment, they can easily do so with a grand jury because the only thing presented to the grand jury is the prosecutor's position. They hear nothing in defense, and there is subsequently nothing presented to challenge the prosecutors presumed authority.

    This concept universally applies, and is not just about Trump in any way. For this reason, grand juries across all cases almost always return an indictment. This is not a hidden secret.
     
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    The reason it is such a "well traveled axiom" (and to be honest, it's not an axiom) is because it gets repeated over and over...not because there is any validity to it.
     
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    Nonsense.

    "Grand Juries Often Return an Indictment
    In part because there's no one on the "other side" to contest the prosecutor's evidence, grand juries almost always return an indictment as requested by the prosecutor. According to a U.S. Department of Justice study, "Grand juries are notorious for being ‘rubberstamps' for the prosecutor for virtually all routine criminal matters." (McDonald, William F., Plea Bargaining: Critical Issues and Common Practices (1985).) It's also suggested that grand juries rubber stamp prosecutors' charges because grand jurors are not adept at evaluating evidence like judges are—making it easier to convince a grand jury than a judge that the defendant should stand for trial."
    Why Prosecutors Choose Grand Juries Instead of Preliminary Hearings | Nolo



    The reason it is such a well-traveled axiom is that it is undeniably true when looking through our long history of jurisprudence. This notion has nothing to do with Trump. It is a universal truism.
     
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    What Biden is doing is helping our great country. That can't be said about Trump as it is not true, never has been, and never will be.
     
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    You're making the assumption that because it was a "pool of blue" that everyone on that jury had an axe to grind against Trump

    You are further making the assumption that just because someone is a Democrat that they can't set aside their political persuasion and render a decision based solely on the evidence.

    That's a lot of assumptions on your part instead of the one simple assumption...Trump did illegal stuff.
     
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    And once indicted Federal Prosecutors have a conviction rate of over 90%. That means these grand juries that you claim are "rubber stamping" the indictment requests are handing out indictments that are OVER 90% likely to result in a conviction.

    If the grand juries were just "rubber stamping" indictments without any basis to do so you would expect to see a MUCH lower conviction rate.

    It looks like, to me, that the GJ are getting it right over 90% of the time.
     
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    Like I said. Indicted by Democrats and convicted by Democrats. That might invoke complete trust in the system on your part but nobody else is buying it.

    Good to know that if any Democrat Presidents get convicted in Texas though, you’ll be first to jump in and defend the system from your fellows. I’ll be looking forward to seeing that.
     
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    What that stat means is that most people that prosecutors wish to indict are in fact guilty ( An ex president is certainly not most people).

    This is not a surprise even slightly. I replied to you because you pointed to the grand jury indictment as evidence that his indictment was not politically motivated. You trying to NOW change this from a discussion about the significance of a grand jury indictment to a discussion of conviction rates is undeniably a strawman argument where you argue against points that have not been raised. If you had initially said most defendants are guilty, I would have never bothered to respond because that is undeniably true. There is nothing there to argue. This was never our point of contention.

    Should I take this obvious diversion as a tacit admission that your claim about a grand jury indicting having significance was baseless because a grand jury can indeed indict a ham sandwich?
     
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    Yet you know that is not true. But it does provide a rationalization for rejecting indictments voted for by grand juries and convictions voted for by trial juries.
     
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    It would have to happen first before I could comment.

    But we can look at Menedez in NJ. He's been indicted by a grand jury in a blue state....and I say bring him to trial and, if found guilty (which I strongly suspect he rightfully will be), throw the book at him.

    This is NOT about left vs. right, or Republican vs. Democrat.

    This is about corrupt politicians being held accountable. It is sad to see there are people who apparently do not want that. And that the desire for justice appears to be strongly tied to what letter comes after their name.
     

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