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  1. Etbauer

    Etbauer Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, clinton was a terrible person and a terrible American. Nothing like trump of course. And even if he was, that doesn't make trump ok does it? So, do we blindly follow manson just because miscavige is terrible?
     
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    Since when did the term "homoseuxal" become a derogatory term? And he said nothing about females.
     
  3. Etbauer

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    I doubt I'm a textbook lefty. However, I do believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Now, when I meet a small child who believes anything that hannity tells them, and looks at no evidence, I get frustrated and look down on them, and often use my superior intelligence to belittle them in ways they usually don't understand. What I should of course do is take a much softer approach. That isn't a very effective approach, depending on what one is trying to accomplish. On the other hand, to actually wake someone up takes years and a person who has at least a little interest in being right over claiming they are right. So, I'm probably often saving myself an opportunity cost.

    So, all that being said, back in my day, when a small child was stupid, they were often beaten. When they pitched a fit over nothing, they were beaten. When they screamed and banged their fists on the floor they were beaten. When they blamed all of their blatant failures on anyone but their obvious incompetence... when they failed at everything they did but never learned... when they were rude and disgusting to everyone then squealed like a pig at the slightest indiscretion they had to suffer... when they constantly failed and yet took any implication that they weren't perfect as a personal attack warranting a fit... Well, you get the idea, trump was abused in many ways, but a spoiled brat to the core. You either worship weak spoiled brats or you despise trump.. Can't be any other way
     
  4. Etbauer

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    Yeah, that's the european part, the American part is mostly black. But, of course that isn't that important. Are we more divided before or after trump?

    Again, trump is only about tearing down. Never about building. Ever.
     
  5. Etbauer

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    Lol, back to the coal mines for freedom huh?
     
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    This mess above it what you want me to decipher every time, jesus man. Internets aint that hard bro!

    Cant even quote correctly? I mean is that difficult to simply click a icon that states REPLY or +Quote :no::no::no: :thumbsdown::rock_slayer: :roflol:[/QUOTE]
    Lol, you were totally right.
     
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    Governor Brownout showed us what happens where radicals are allowed to run the asylum.
     
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    I think that's the weirdest distortion of the subject I've ever seen anyone do. You have yourself convinced of a concept that not only doesn't hold water, it's preposterous; ludicrous.
    Your superior intelligence is leading you down the yellow brick road, my friend. Fantasy land.

    There are people who are ready to look at reality, and accept it whether it is what they want to hear or not. I don't think you are one of them. Then, there are people who see nothing except what they want to see- and I do think you are one of those. Not a good place to be because it detaches you from the real world; makes it impossible to make rational conclusions and decisions.

    I've done hundreds of self-management seminars for many groups, the purpose of which is to teach people how to take charge of their own lives, teach them to use their minds more constructively. I once was asked to do one for a boys correctional facility- and I doubt any of the 100 kids in the seminar even knew I was there. They were buried in themselves, unable to grasp anything else. But when I did one for Parallax, recovering drug addicts- totally the opposite. Many of them had been like the boys facility people once, but had fully faced their problems and were mentally so perceptive they were realizing points I was making even before I finished a sentence. These people had hit bottom so hard it shattered all their preconceived beliefs, so they had a clean slate to build on- all the trash was out of the way. The capacity of the human mind to totally deceive itself with garbage beliefs is in everyone, and only that person can change themselves. My role was as a guide to show how it's done as a choice, but until the person on the other side of the discussion can face reality and find the courage to change- there is nothing anyone can do to help.

    If you think the world makes you who you are- it is because you have chosen to assign that responsibility to others, and let your emotional perceptions of injustices and motives shape you. However, the world has bigger things to worry about, does not take the responsibility for making you content, doesn't even care- and you will never get satisfaction. When YOU decide to control who you are- what the world does becomes far less important, and you simply navigate around the same things that you freak out over today. It appears that makes no sense to you. But you are the person put here to make your life right- not Trump. He does not control you- and he's not trying. He's temporary, limited, focusing on his duty and doing his job very, very well. Many people do think his job is to make them happy- and that is not only false, it would be impossible. They are of course angry for not getting what they think they are entitled to... and that is the adult model of the spoiled child you discuss. They aren't stupid, they are just similar in function to a computer with seriously corrupted programming. Of course, the computer cannot fix itself, but the person can. The question is- If they will.

    I don't think you are doing your job, and therein lies the source of your frustrations.
    Just my opinion, and perhaps I'm not as smart as you. Assuming you have better than a 99th percentile IQ.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    But he bashes people, particularly immigrants but really just about anyone.

    Haters gotta hate.
     
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    Yes, the black part is unimportant.

    We are divided about the same. You are just pissed because white people asserted themselves.


    You don't see the building part.
     
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    When it is a poor choice for the dems, so bad in his words, he pity's that option. Context. Context.
     
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    Correct he was far worse, he was actually impeached for having committed multiple felonies.
     
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    False choice. What if that child believes anything that Maddow tells them? Do you get as frustrated? Of course we adults have lots of news sources so when say Hannity says something I already have knowledge of it and can judge what he says based on that knowledge just like with any of the people on his show. You seem to think that persons who listen to cable news channels ONLY use that as their source and a singular show.

    And are small children actually listening to Hannity or was that just a slam against those who do?
     
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    You know, you should change direction of your spin every now and then before you corkscrew yourself into the ground so far done has to come and dig you out. Seriously dude everyone is helped by low unemployment improving wages, and more jobs than there are applicants, well except for Dem politicians who require a lot of people desperate for government handouts to survive to keep getting elected.
     
  15. Etbauer

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    Ok, so, how often have you turned your self-help scam on yourself? How hard do you think about your thinking? Tell me, what is your thinking process?

    Now, financially, I do much better under trump than democrats, the problem is that my loyalty is to my country, not my profits. It isn't actually right that I make the profits that I do.

    But, more importantly, how do you think about your thinking?
     
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    Guilty, I don't like institutional racism.
    Yeah, totally missed the emperor's invisible clothes.
     
  17. Etbauer

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    Well, to be fair, I do have a problem with leftists if they believe in dangerous things (I've never actually seen maddow, so bear with me), if maddow is against vaccines, or nuclear power, or gmos, then yes she deserves scorn.
     
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    Except you can't counter my point. Now, it's true that a good economy is good. Now, of course, this all started with the obama administration, I always laugh at the notion that trump has retroactively caused 12 years of economic growth.
     
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    Under Obama the middle class list five grand in wages and most jobs became part time with fewer hours and therefore lower wages than ever before. Also the middle class got health insurance they couldn't afford to use.
    Under Trump those part time jobs are becoming full time. And wages are rising which they never did under Obama. Crediting Obama for the what's happened under Trump is like crediting sheep for the existence if goats.
     
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    Document that

    Oh wait...that's not something you do

    You just start bomb throwing threads full of hatred
     
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    OF course- If what I taught was a scam, I would have at least charged for it. My classes to the public, the school teachers, the drug rehabs- all free. no fees of any kind, and where costs were involved such as printed matter or facility costs, I paid them. I did charge for commercial presentations. This is the only business I ever ran that was not concerned with profits, but with improving the world we live in.
    If you help others find their identity, find their strength and independence, you empower them, and that changes the world for the better. Since I live in the same world that makes my world gets better. What if you could do that- would you try?

    Ask yourself why all the other species on the planet have learned to live well and thrive with out any government, religions, shrinks and the like, to do that without poisoning the world and using up all the natural resources. Every one of those millions of species knows something we do not- How to thrive with nothing beyond what nature provided. WE are the only exception. However, we DO have the capacity. We just have this imagination that has given us amazing things like technology, but has also allowed us to imagine garbage- and load so much crap in most minds that people can't find themselves; can't find the way to take power over their own lives.

    I got tired of people coming to my free programs to defend the beliefs that keep them down, their beliefs that they were victims. Too many like that, too few that could find the courage to put that down and grow. I taught these classes for three years- got tired on the number of people simply unable or unwilling to learn. An old oriental proverb describes the capacity to learn this way- "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear". That means the teacher is always there; it is the student who is blind. What I teach is right in front of every person everyday. Out of sight only due to their own limitations, things we have done to ourselves because we are so smart we can invent our own fundamental principles.

    Now, assuming you are asking honestly rather than mocking- What I teach was something I actively worked to find for about 20 adult years without success. Virtually dominated my thinking. When I did, things in my life changed overnight. It's extremely simple- I live by three rules; so simple I can write them on a business card. But it's not knowing them that changes a person- it's living them. To live them, you must discard the substitute values you have had stuffed in your head all your life, and that is the hard part. One psychologist who interviewed me several times asked who had taught me. I said no one, this is my own view; I reprogrammed myself. He told me that was impossible, couldn't be done. I said- Why? He said because it would take courage bordering on heroism, sustained for years.To me, it took only desperation and determination. I never had a choice, I simply had to find how to do what I knew could be done- or die trying. Eventually, I quit trying to discover that from books and people- started watching nature. Learn from those who obviously knew, and were thriving with it Those three rules, natural principles, are everywhere in nature. WE are the only species who fail to see them, to use them. We are so smart, we can fabricate our own- and ignore the fact they don't work .

    You can't imagine the extent to which I have thought about my thinking, and what it took to bring me to the moment of being ready. I set out to teach this, to share it because I hoped to help others find it without having to make that same searching journey- which for many, never ends at all. The reason was and is selfish. I'd like to live in a world of functional people, strong, honorable, happy, thriving people who respect each other and can work together. It's entirely possible- but we refuse to allow it. It isn't something an individual has no choice over, anyone can change themselves and be better able to cope with those who won't and all the world's absurdity. The more people who have that capacity, the better the world they make will be. If you think that is a bad objective- nothing I say will change your mind.

    It's unfortunate that you feel guilty for making a profit, because that is earned money, not stolen money. Money is not like apples in the worlds only apple basket, where your taking one might deprive someone else. Anyone willing to do what you have done to earn that money can do the same. You demonstrate what is possible- and that would be proof and inspiration to healthy people... but will be proof you are evil and greedy to unhealthy ones who think your work should be their profit. It's a state of mind that makes the difference in what they see- and cannot see. That is true for all of us. We are an extremely gifted species, that is doing a terrible job of finding and using our gifts.
    Quite possibly the only species in history who will wind up being directly responsible for it's own extinction.
     
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    The 2016 election and the coming election have proven what a feckless, soulless, power lusting entity the Democrat party has become. There is no item too obvious in it's pandering but impossible to deliver that they won't promise. As always they have their base of hopelessly blind low information voters but they have lost everyone else. They have lost them not because they can't deliver but because they have insulted their intelligence and have forgotten that this is still America. The electorate is not blind or stupid but the Democrats held many in their thrall for decades and still assume the old magic still works. More than anything there has been a collective epiphany of many different groups that now understand the evil evolution of the Democrat party, it has been exposed as nothing but a group of self interested, conniving, criminals who have enriched themselves while ignoring America. Yes, the poor Democrat voter, all dressed up and nowhere to go.
     
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    What does being homosexual have to do with anything? Pointing that out makes you out to look like a big....
     
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    Uh huh.
     
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    Well, there are different kinds of psychics. Those that are part of a deliberate scam, and those that have convinced themselves that they really are psychic. I would have assumed you were actually the victim, but if not, then you probably are more like the latter case of psychics.
    Ants are a good example. There are other primates that don't really survive outside of their society, even canines. We just simply didn't evolve to survive alone, and we can't do it. Now, we can live to some extent in tribes without government (which really is it's own form of government), it's just that we murder, rape and steal without government and society. Other animals do the same thing. They don't have a government, but they do murder rape and steal etc. In general, we can't survive alone, we didn't evolve that way. We can't work together without some form of government. We can do better than animals because we are smarter, and a large part of that comes from 'government.'
    So, this doesn't answer or say anything.
    And, this is also nonsensical babble.
    Again, you aren't saying anything, you are just making claims and babbling. But, none of what you say is at all compatible with trump.
    I don't think guilt is the word. Now, like most rich people, I worked hard, but no harder than most people who didn't get rich. It was hard work, but largely luck. Nevertheless, my overall point is that even if I get a tax break, that isn't worth sacrificing my country to corruption. In fact, I'll happily go to the poor house if it means keeping my country from failing.
     

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