Declassified: Joint Chiefs approved false flag attack on America

Well yes because when he was rising in the Senate in his day there was a real threat of Soviet aggression. If he applied his anti=communist ideas to today's world he would look like a neo-con because that is the definition of a neo-con, Left leaning anti-communists who became more conservative in general and pro-export of American values often by force. Thus NEO meaning new CON meaning conservative.

 

I don't understand why a previously released document of some four decades old that was rejected is of any interest in the current climate...

If you want ancient outrage, let's talk about what was approved then and since...and lets start with CIA LSD experiments..

 

So... now I am part of the conspiracy? I am a "disinfo" because you don't understand physics, or what these tremendous forces do collapsing on themselves? Steel beams get shattered. Yes. The air from 100 stories collapsing on itself collapses great volumes of air sandwiching EVERYTHING between floors... generating so much energy that it burns for weeks. It was a colossal event.

What you think is evidence, is not. Your entire belief structure, which includes those who disagree with you, is based on your not expecting it to collapse like that... you don't understand why, because you have no understanding of the forces involved.

 

The military was out of control by the time JFK became president. After 8 years of running amok under Ike, they thought that they owned the world.
Mossadegh, Arbenz, Batista, Lumumba all set the tone for US foreign policy ever since.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the military killed Kennedy.

 

Because no one was punished which led to the impunity we see to the present day. If the conspirators of Operation Northwoods had been arrested and put before a firing squad I doubt 9/11 would have happened.

 

LOL then no need to use all that expensive coal in expensive hermetically sealed melting chambers like a blast furnace, and using even more energy to pump pre-heated air through the fuel. Just drop a bunch of junk from a great height and we'll get molten steel. Moron.

The forces invloved were low energy terrestrial forces and simple chemistry, not meteors at supersonic speeds. Part of the shill strategy is to make people think a couple of skyscrapers falling involve forces which go beyond simple Newtonian physics.

 

Still waiting.

If the steel got soft and buckled, why isn't most of it crumpled in twisted heaps at the bases of the towers, rather than cleanly cut in straight pieces flung 2 football fields away? You can even see these pieces being blown out laterally at explosive speeds.

I'm not surprised you don't want to touch this one. Hot hot, burnee burnee.

Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH
[video=youtube;cBTGMhRT_p0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBTGMhRT_p0[/video]

Aerial View, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org​

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And the truthers have taken over I see.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with this. After all, it was nothing but the request for a plan, and during times of peace that is one of the things that Generals are supposed to do, make war plans.

Even for wars that may never happen, like a joint UK-Japan attack against the US.

 

Yeah, you have no clue what you are talking about. Your "facts" are simply wrong. Loose Change has been debunked so many times that even the creator of the film Dylan Avery has come out and said that he didn't think 9/11 was an inside job anymore. No Thermite or any form of thermite was found, zero, they have been debunked as well as the presence of kaolin shows that those famous red-gray chips were primer paint, and on and on. No plane at the pentagon? Then how were they able to confirm the DNA profiles of all the passengers of flight & being present at the pentagon?

(/11 was no more of an inside job than I have the winning lottery numbers tattoed on my ass.

 

there is no evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.

 

This is beyond Dylan Avery, who is not a scientist or engineer, but a 20-something when he noticed a lot of unusual things about 9/11. The first real questions came from Dr. David Ray Griffin. And who is talking about thermite? Even though it's presence is confimred in every dust sample taken. Unreacted thermite and paint have entirely different chemical signatures, which is what you see when you put a sample through a mass spectrometer which shows the element present. It's high school chemistry.

Not only was it thermite, it was nanothermite, which means the components are ground down to the nanometer, or molecular, level. This can only be done in a very advanced university or military laboratory. This is done to expose more reaction surface, resulting in a hotter and faster reaction. It's similar to a room full of woodchips and a room full of sawdust. The room full of woodchips will burn, but a room full of sawdust might resemble an explosion, because the fuel is much finer.

Wiki; thermite production:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite#Production

But regardless of thermite, what you are really ignoring is plain visual footage of the towers being blown apart. Anyone who can watch this and not see it is the one who is nuts. Then you see the straight-arrow pieces in the aerial photos above, flung our for two football fields distance. Mental illness is denial so strong that you pretend not to see it. Those sticks you see spinning are 2 to 5 foot wide pieces of core and perimeter steel beam, and they are being blown out at 80mph.

[video=youtube;HIi0I5v5ZXw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi0I5v5ZXw[/video]

The other thing you can't get around is that no steel skyscraper can collapse at free-fall acceleration without being cut to pieces first, because that speed can only be attained by falling objects through thin air. It's basic Galileo.

Here is a similar demolition to the twin towers, note it goes from the top-down not from the bottom up. This is done for taller buildings where tipping is a danger;

[video=youtube;jO15CXhsTM4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO15CXhsTM4[/video]

If you want to see how it was really done, go to: 'How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition"
http://www.dailypaul.com/298360/at-last-how-it-was-done-9-11-and-the-science-of-building-demolition

It's not rocket science.

 

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=231314

Educate yourself. No thermite was found on the dust from the WTC.

http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

You should probably read this too. Do catch up its 2013 not 2006. You are spouting theories that have well, lets just say run their course and been disproven long ago.

 

the collapse of the WTC towers wasn't a controlled demolition.

 

this is a great video because at 1:05, it shows the tower collapse to the side before it collapses down.

controlled demolitions don't do that. They collapse straight down.

but here, u see the building lean and collapse towards its corner.

proof that this was caused by steel failure and gravity, NOT demolition.

 

That is an interesting paper, and it is good you are attempting to consult some science in your investigation, rather than resort to emotional attacks and denials like most people.

The problem with the Millette study you link is that Millette's chips were washed before analysis, whereas Dr. Neils Harrit of University of Copenhagen were "left unwashed and uncoated unless otherwise specified," as quoted in the peer-reviewed paper "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe."

Anyone knows that in forensics washing your sample is a no-no, if you want to know what your sample contains. It's like washing the body of an autopsy victim, where you might lose DNA under the fingernails or hair from the perp. Thermite can be applied like paint over a primer coat, in a "sol-gel" solution, just like the wiki entry says:

Furthermore, Dr. Harrit found thermite not just on his red chips, but the byproducts of the thermite reaction, again on the nanometer level.

The larger point is that even without direct evidence of thermite, which we have, the presence of thermite or something like it can be deduced from the rivers of molten steel (yes it was steel) found weeks and months after in the basements. Kerosene and office fires cannot get hot enough to cause this, with steel having a melting point of 2800F and open-air fires (not under compressed air in a sealed chamber) only burn at about 500F- 800F typically. That's why steel is so expensive to make. You need to pre-heat air and then blast it through coal in, for example, a blast furnace.

But guess what does hit 5,000F and gives off plenty of heat to melt steel? Thermite. Below is how it works.

[video=youtube;rdCsbZf1_Ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng[/video]


But all that aside, even if they didn't find thermite, which they did, it would still be impossible for the falling concrete to fall through steel at the same acceleration that it would fall through air, because Galileo proved that different objects of different weights fall at the same speed. This is what you really have to understand to know the official story is false. The official story says the mass went faster and faster as it accumulated in a "chain reaction." But heavier mass does not fall faster than lighter mass. It can only go slower as it hits resistance, and it will stop.

Galileo, heavy object fall at same speed as light object, minus differences in air resistance:

[video=youtube;Z789eth4lFU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z789eth4lFU[/video]

Even a feather drops at the same speed as a ball, in a vacuum (no air resistance)
[video=youtube;ndFXXasM6ZE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFXXasM6ZE[/video]


And again you are ignoring what your own eyes can see: not a tower falling "down," but getting blown apart, beam by beam and floor by floor;

[video=youtube;HIi0I5v5ZXw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi0I5v5ZXw[/video]

GO TO: "How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition"

 

What's this thread doing in this forum? Don't the Conspiratards have their own special lil padded room somewhere else on the board?

 

I agree, and this really belongs in the Conspiracy Theory area now. I suspected this is where it was going, and it seems I was right.

Definitely does not belong here anymore.

 

LOL the padded rooms are for people who think kerosene (jet fuel) and office junk fires makes steel soft enough to fall like it was a house of cards. I can't imagine anything nuttier than that.

Your other problem is Operation Northwoods was no one's theory. It's declassified documents. How do you deal with that, sheep?

 

And this forum section is to discuss the military, not crazy WTC conspiracy theories.

 

Yea I know. Like the one about 19 Arab party boys fooling NORAD for two hours and taking down three of the strongest towers in the world, to ashes, and hitting the Pentagon for good measure. All with nothing more than boxcutters. Got tooth fairy?

The problem is, war and military guy, you must know nothing about military air defenses. An F-16 can hit 30,000 feet in a few minutes, and be swinging Mach 2 in no time. That closes on a 767 like its standing still. No way three planes could have gotten through. No way.

And don't give me none of your crap about how there was a "donut hole" in the air defenses. They had already done 65 intercepts so far that year. Most of the time you wag your wings and tell the pilot he's lost.

F-16 max vert climb
[video=youtube;zoaw4Bt3Ew4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoaw4Bt3Ew4[/video]

 

Oh my god, really?

Really?

Well, first of all, this is finally in "Conspiracy Theory" where it belongs.

And secondly, I know nothing about Air Defense? I will have you know that Air Defense is exactly what I have done for the last 6 years.

So kindly (*)(*)(*)(*) and go pound sand.

 

So what's your excuse? An off-course 767 with its transponder off stands out like a sore thumb, nevermind four of them. They had FLT 77 locked on the radar a full 50 minutes before it hit the Pentagon, with Dick Cheney in the Presidential Emergency Operations bunker being asked if it should be shot down. He obviously never did. The minute the first plane hit WTC 1 everyone knew something was up, and was authorized to fly Mach 2, which means an F-16 could reach any one of those planes in 10 minutes max, from Otis or Langley. Do you know how fast Mach 2 is? You are in California from New York in 2 hours, with in-air refueling.

So how could 3 planes, nevermind one, penetrate the air defenses when there had already been at least 65 routine interceptions that year? An F-16 can scramble and be at 30,000 ft. in three minutes, at maximum vertical climb. Not ONE of the hijacked planes was intercepted. You are just the person we want to talk to. This belongs in the military forum, because if the military hadn't failed, 3,000 people might still be alive.

History Commons
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a927cheneyupa ted#a927cheneyupated

F-16 max vertical climb
[video=youtube;zoaw4Bt3Ew4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoaw4Bt3Ew4[/video]