declining standard of living in Australia

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  1. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    I understand the point you are trying to make. I think this depends on the interpretation of what "physical hard work" represents. I don't believe there is any physical hard work involved in becoming a doctor or being a doctor. However, hard work can be connected to the amount of mental stress involving long hours of study and post med career options. Therefore, I think many would disagree that physical hard work applies to lifting a stethoscope and writing prescriptions.
     
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    Intelligence is obviously a factor in success. It is not a guarantee of success, but is definitely an advantage.
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    The basis of my argument is how a larger percentage of Asians use libraries over other races. Asian don't use libraries to learn how to physically work harder, they use libraries to learn and become more intelligent.

    Caucasians have become lazy & think they have become invincible, and have not bothered filling the ranks of their predecessors. Blacks have also become lazy & been exploiting sympathy and free-handouts.

    The Chinese a 4000 year old culture who understand hardship and diversity and have not been lazy, nor have they been exploiting anything (besides stupidity) - anyone want to bet $50 against them surviving over other stupid lazy races? LOL
     
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    We are still looking for these free handouts you are talking about, you find me one inch of land in Australia that was bought from its original owners. I know they were too stupid, too backward , not civilised, not utilising the land so we had a right to take it.

    So by the rules ,I have the right to your house if it's a 3 bedroom house and your only using 1 bedroom.

    More civilised, yeah right the first fleet came because crime was so rife in good old England that all the prisons were overflowing, they were pilling prisoners on old coal barges.

    Things were this bad due to the total disregard for the working class by the elite when the industrial revolution put hundreds of thousands out of work they were just discarded by society so the only way of survival was to turn to crime.

    It's happening again.. .
     
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  5. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Just think about what Albert Einstein said for a minute: " Its clinical insanity for someone to do the same thing over & over again and expect a different outcome".
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two sides of debate

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    and ...
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  7. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    I have a question for you. Can you find me one inch of Great Briton that the Romans/Italians bought from the original owners (Celts)?
     
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    I will be around tonight for your TV, someone stole one from me about 30 years ago so according to the great sage culldav I have the right to steal yours .

    This is why no one takes you serious
     
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    I have a question for you, do you ever think about your answers before you post them or just pull them out your R's?
     
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    Are you going to answer my question ,can I come and steal your stuff ,when will you be out?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why the Industrial Revolution happened in Britain was because wages were the highest in the world.
    The high cost of labor led to the introduction of steam technology.
    Those who left their land to work in the grimy factories did so because they too shared in the new wealth
    of Britain.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You sure about that?
    Six Causes of Industrialization
    • Six Causes of Industrialization. Natural Resources. ...
    • Natural Resources. Abundance of Forests: Cheap resource for building material. ...
    • Growing Population. Population growth will cause an increase of demand. ...
    • Improved Transportation. ...
    • High Immigration. ...
    • New Inventions. ...
    • Investment Capital.
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    Pretty sure about that. I understand that Holland and Germany, for instance, had
    large coal reserves too. You can't say that forests played much part in this. Improved
    transportation came about particularly due to rail. High immigration was helped along
    by increased standard of living. Investment capital loved the industrial revolution.
    The Dickensian landscape of Britain was shaped to a large extent by those opposed
    to the industrial revolution. It wasn't shared by those who left the penury of rural living.
    And after all - no-one forced those people to leave the land, and no-one could stop them
    from forming trade unions either.
     
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    I thought you were saying that farm labourers were leaving farms because their wages were too high?
    I misunderstood that you meant the farm labourers were leaving the farms for better wages in the city.
     
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    Yes, and I added "And after all - no-one forced those people to leave the land, and no-one
    could stop themfrom forming trade unions either"
    Cheers.
    :)
     
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    You really set a precedent on how even a silly monkey can climb a tree - don't you? You are the one who stated in posting #154: "...find me one inch of land in Australia that was bought from the original owners". That was directly inferring that white people stole Australia from the Aborigines.

    When I asked you the identical question about the Romans stealing land from the Celts of Great Briton - you chuck a nappy wetting tantrum, because you suddenly got confronted with the truth that white people have also had land stolen from.
     
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    No you're the one chucking the tantrum as usual, I just asked you a question based on your excuse for what happened in Australia.

    I never asked you to comment on my statement that was your choice ,and you didn't want to answer my quite valid response so you ignore it and try to put it back on me. .Well if that's all you have fine.
     
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    You chucked your teddy out of cot, because you expected me to answer a question you didn't have the guts to answer yourself.

    If you believe the British stole Aboriginal land in 1788, then have the guts to attack and challenge the people who actually stole the land - the British.

    Hard working Australian tax payers are easier cash cows to manipulate and con than the British Government.
     
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    Were there people before the modern aborigines in Australia?
    Maybe. Homo erectus could have been here, no evidence yet.
    The Bradshaws were a Kimberly race who might have been
    African. I wonder if Polynesians were here too at some time.
    But the dominant Aboriginal group would have killed off any
    competition, just as they killed off the megafauna - and each
    other for that matter.
    Methinks the British were quite civilized towards Aborigines.
    (illegal settlers on the frontier were another matter.)
    Same aborigines still in Asia were exterminated to the last
    person.
    If the British were stone age dwellers in Australia and the
    aboriginal appeared in boats - do you think the whites would
    have been spared? Not on your life.
    Speaking of noble savages is just racism.
     
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    Yeah and if someone in desperate circumstances breaks into your home he could use the excuse that you would have done the same thing under the same circumstances. What if, what if, what if.

    This happened and it was wrong and no amount of justifying or what ifs will change that.

    How many times have you seen guilty people crying innocent on the news and what is your reaction.

    The worst part is it is still happening today.
     
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    How many posters over time have agreed that they also disagree about the native inhabitants having their land taken by invading civilisations. However, throughout human history, hundreds of native inhabitants have had their land stolen and occupied by invading forces. Out all these hundreds of native inhabitants, you have never once went into bat for any white native culture that had their land stolen by invading civilisations.

    I would like to know why you are only interested and concerned about the Aboriginal people having their land taken? Surely someone like yourself who is advocating land rights for native inhabitants would be interested and concerned about every native inhabitant having their land taken by invading civilisations regardless of colour, not just be interested and concerned about ONE particular group (Aboriginals) unless you have some hidden biased agenda?

    I asked you the identical question that you asked me, in relation to the native Celtic inhabitants having their land taken by invading civilisations, and you responded with deflection, because you were suddenly confronted by the truth that white native inhabitants also had their land taken away for them.

    Shock of all shocks, the victim and sympathy card suddenly gets taken away from the Aboriginal people and placed on the white Celtic peoples of Great Briton, and you had a brain pop.

    This is not the first time, whereby, you have demonstrated abject racism and hatred towards white Australians and white people in general, and its something you need to address.
     
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    True, true. But in the end, what do you do about it?
    Reality must trump idealism, ie Palestinians fight Israelis because they have a claim to
    the land too (not just borders, land and all of it ) so what should an Israeli do?

    People who protest about what is "right" to an obsessive degree often are guilty
    of overlooking what is "wrong" in the implementation of their policy.
     
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    It really isn't. Success is a product of determination, not genius.
     
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    No, it's physical work. Try doing 100 hours in a busy public A&E dept, nights - over a weekend ... when all the crazies and life/death cases come in.
     
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    OMG talk about a strange discussion, what is success? I watched a programe here called "employable me". To them success is getting a position at Bunnings.

    And OMG at no physical work in becoming or being a doctor. Sheesh if you're talking sweating it out with a pick and a shovel, that's what some do to relax. Long hours gowned masked and gloved with your heart in their hands often for 8 ..10.. Plus hours is very physical, and mentally taxing.
     

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