Defeating the bogeyman of single payer healthcare

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    The problem with the Left is they think that healthcare is an entitlement, not an individual responsibility.
     
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    No. The Canadian model works great though
     
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    Do you understand single payer-private delivery?
     
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    Total government takeover of all hospitals, clinics, etc. All Doctors working for peanuts for the government and 85% of my paycheck going to another useless government albatross.
     
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    I don't want the government handling my healthcare AT ALL!!!! that's something you Communists won't ever understand.
     
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    Nope. You're confused.. Its NOT the VA system.
     
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    But it IS where you Leftists want to take our system. And all new research and R&D? Impossible under single payer. Healthcare is not now, nor ever should be an absolute right!
     
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    Your ignorance is showing. Medicare is NOT communist or socialist or Soviet style healthcare.The government will not own hospitals or employ staff or physicians.
     
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    For now, but it IS the ULTIMATE goal of the Left to turn the US into another Communist country. I bet you cried when the Soviet Union finally collapsed because of the actions of the greatest President of the 20th Century, Ronald Wilson Reagan, because the Soviet ideology of total government control is the only thing Liberals care about.
     
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    The most formidable impediment to those who crave a politically-correct heath insurance system is the reality of all advanced nations on earth pragmatically arriving at the same superior paradigm that covers everyone at far lower cost.

    In order to perpetuate their preference for a far more expensive approach that fails to cover tens of millions (whose bloated medical expenses are routinely dumped on the taxpayer,) they must rage against the empirical evidence and promote ideology over reality - as they do whenever science does not conform to their faith-based credo.

    Meanwhile, they fail to inspire confidence as they frenetically swat at invisible "Liberals!" constantly swarming around their noggins.
     
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    Ideally, they should sell all the VA facilities off and let veterans go to any doctor or hospital they choose. That would be a logical step towards medicare for all .. which is currently paid for with payroll taxes.
     
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    You mean MediScare. As I said, I don't want the government involved in healthcare AT ALL! Because nowhere in the US Constitution does it obligate the Federal Government to do anything outside of military (National Defense) and treaties! Social welfare programs, including education, HEALTHCARE, etc. belong exclusively to the states as outlined in Article I Section 8 and codified by Amendment X.
     
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    And BTW, why should I be forced to fork over 85% of my hard earned to the government? Even 1% is way too high.
     
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    You pay 85% of your earnings in taxes??
     
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    It's what LIEberals want to fund their worthless welfare state. No frigging way.
     
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    You sure are misinformed......Do you know what payroll taxes are?
     
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    Hospitals will initially charge an exaggerated price and insurance companies will negotiate massive reductions in price, the bigger the insurance company the better the deal. I am curious whether this deal you got wouldn't have been done by an insurance company as well. Also, how much would you had to pay if you had insurance? If insurance was able to negotiate just $5,000 and you pay 20% then you pay $1,000.
     
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    Thank you for your pointless opinion
     
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    Of course it should be a right. And single payer countries do R and D
     
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    Relax Senator McCarthy. LOL
     
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    It makes sense that insurance companies have better negotiating power since they have more customers. Do you have any data comparing insurance and cash only negotiation?

    But hospitals often don't even quote a final price until after the procedure is finished. Thats because they add charges for every little thing that happens, e.g. $36 for a tylenol, etc, and they can't know exactly what will happen beforehand.

    I will do so if it comes to that thanks.
     
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    That's about cost shifting.
     
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    Yes I have actual experience. Needed a third operation to remove a colostomy bag that was necessary as part of a colon removal and J pouch proceedure. The major operations were done in India because this was a pre existing issue which no insurance company would cover. That is a long story. Anyway went to the hospital and since this is a very straight foreward operation asked for a price. Was told $36,000. I said I could pay cash upfront and they dropped price to $27,000. Then asked what Aetna would pay and it was $11,000. Now mind you this did not include Surgeon or anesthologist.

    Bottom line I went back to India and cost for Hospital, Surgeon and Anesthologist was slightly under $5,000,
     
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    So that means that we shouldn't pay for the healthcare of veterans who have served our country?
     
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    No, I haven't.
     

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