Delusions in a Godless Universe

Here is a list of what can only be called 'delusions', IF this is a godless universe :

1. There is a God
2. God Created everything and everyone
3. There is a soul
4. There is an absolute moral code
5. There is a heaven and hell
6. Love is a deeply spiritual experience
7. Life has purpose and meaning
8. God has ordained gifts and duties for man
9. 'Good' and 'bad' are Real and Absolute
10. God is good
11. God loves you
12. God created you for a purpose
13. God has embedded each soul with a conscience
14. The choices you make in life have eternal consequence
15. Angels and devils are real beings
16. There exists a spiritual dimension.

Any others?
Why do people have these delusions, if indeed, this is a godless universe?
Why do some atheists retain some of these delusions?
What natural processes would impart such wholesale delusions, on the majority of human beings, in every culture, region, and era?

I propose a rational examination of the conclusions and implications of the Reality of the universe, once we make assumptions. This is not necessarily a reflection of what anyone actually believes, but is just the logical progression of the belief.

The inverse of this assumption can also be examined. I wanted to start simply, at first.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle

 

The OP reads like a blind man describing a void.

 

I'll take that as a joke...

But perhaps the blind men and the elephant is more fitting.

It is difficult, to examine implications of belief. One must step outside their own beliefs, and consider the beliefs of others.. 'walking a mile in their shoes'.. is the colloquial concept. For the philosopher, reasoning is the goal.. sound, compelling logic that both leads and follows.

..but alas! Real philosophers are rare these days, but instead we have ideologues full of passionate intensity...

 

This is the assumption, for this philosophical exercise:

"We exist in a godless universe."

What are the implications, of this assumption? They would obviously be different than the inverse assumption.

So, do any of the things on my list fit as 'delusions!', in the assumption of a godless universe?

Why, or why not?

 

What do you infer from material contingency?

 

I'll need you to define your terms... at least what you mean by them, and how they apply to the topic.

 

This is one of many you've started about the same general topic, and you have largely failed to address arguments against your assumptions.

 

there must be, "higher powers" in our universe.

i assume at least one intelligent species per galaxy. our galaxy is not oldest.

 

Yet do they require their creations to adorate them all day and night?

 

I'm assuming the assumptions, as that is what you do, with assumptions. ..I've not even heard 'arguments against the assumptions!'.. not yet, anyway.

This one is,

"We exist in a godless universe."

The question is, 'What are the implications and conclusions of this assumption?'

I've provided a list, to start. Are these valid? Why, or why not?

 

Ok, it looks like you'll have no problem with assuming the premise, here.

So, what are the implications of this belief? Why is delusion so prevalent, in this godless universe?

 

Existence is a delusion man, it's like something artificially created out of the wilderness to represent civilization...yet we tend to kill a lot to justify such achievements..

 

Well, you are introducing a different topic.. about the nature of reality. This discussion hinges upon an empirical reality, not 'all is fantasy!'

The dichotomy in an empirical universe is,

• God made it
• No god made it

What are the implications for each assumption? That is the topic, here.

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~Albert Einstein

 

Is a seer's stone necessary for empirical evidence?

 

Most human beings have a common definition of 'empirical reality.' Of course, there are those who live in their own little world..

 

Not to mock, but you have actual scientific proof for even a sixth of those assertions? The problem with the statement that "There is no God" is that as of yet science cannot prove that there is no God. I once was a believer and then I became an atheist and then I became an agnostic due to the failure of science to prove most of the above statements. None of which have got anything to do with belief or worship or simply being a better human being than the laws of one's nation . . . require.

 

i prefer to view such admonitions as metaphorical; and, against any false pride on the part of original sinners.

 

I am not 'proving' or asserting either assumption.. either the 'God' or 'no God' premise. I am following the implications and logical conclusions of the assumption.

It's a philosophical exercise, not a 'proof!' of anything.

IF... you ASSUME, 'godless universe',
THEN.. are the above list logical conclusions?

Why or why not?

 

The existence of a soul doesn't depend on there being a God. It's a whole other argument.

 

Of course it does, as what distinguishes a soul from any purely material creature is its potential for knowing God even as it is known by Him.

 

You're going to be so surprised if you die and then go to an afterlife without a God in it.

Souls can be natural things that we just don't have the technology to check for yet.

 

How?

How can you have a metaphysical 'soul', that is beyond the material, yet exclude 'God', or other metaphysical beings?

It seems to me, that if you are going to posit a supernatural dimension, then the possibility of God is a given, and all the above list become plausible, and not delusional.

But, if you posit a naturalistic only reality, with no God and no supernatural realm, then there would be no soul, no heaven, no hell, and no absolute morality. There is just the material, in a godless universe. All mystical beliefs are delusions.

 

Being metaphysical is a classification that hasn't been studied yet. But I can assure you that each of your ideas listed are a separate item to study. Whether we live in a Godless universe or a God-filled universe.

You just don't understand it because of religious doctrine, or you might just find it bizarre the maybe, say, a demon might exist without a God.

 

So then by this reasoning, all the list above could be real, even in a godless universe, except for the things that say, 'God did it.' Some other mystical being could have done it, just not God.

..don't worry about what i understand, or any ad hom projections. Just make your arguments, and they will stand or fall on their own merit.

I see no rationale in excluding God, and premising a metaphysical universe full of meaning, heaven, hell, angels, souls, morality, etc.. just no God. The purely naturalistic argument is that there is NOTHING beyond the material, therefore, no God. That is a rational conclusion, for that assumption.

But to premise all manner of metaphysical beings, and existence, yet exclude God, makes no sense. Why could there NOT be a God, if there is, indeed, a supernatural dimension?

..and of course metaphysics has been studied.. for millennia! That does not mean there is a human consensus, but since when have we needed that to speculate about the universe?

 

Let me ask you something. Do you believe in alien intelligent E.T.s visiting Earth and experimenting on humans???