Democrats Back Trump Claim That Obama Is Responsible for Failing to Halt Russia E

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Uhh.... No.

    A President can certainly be impeached for High Crimes.
     
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    The Department of Justice (DOJ) cannot indict the president.

    DOJ regulations do not allow the president to be criminally indicted. The Office of Legal Counsel states that indictment proceedings would "unduly interfere in a direct or formal sense with the conduct of the Presidency," as criminal proceedings would severely handicap the president from performing his "onerous" and "unique" duties under the Constitution, thereby short-circuiting the entire executive branch.

    We cannot have a situation where 12 people on a jury could nullify the results of a national election, a power so enormous that it's best left to Congress through the impeachment proceedings as outlined under Article I of the Constitution. After all, legal proceedings involving the president are by nature political, so it makes sense to leave such matters to Congress, a political body.

    This shoot down the absurd Left-wing pipe-dream that the president could be indicted in office and then face criminal proceedings when leaving office, as this would create "a cloud over the man's head" that would make it more difficult for him to deal with "Congress and particularly foreign governments."

    The DOJ is prohibited from indicting the President.

    So, if Mueller decides to seek an indictment against Trump, it would be thrown out by the Supreme Court. Mueller's sole purpose, then, is to be an instrument in helping the Democrats eventually achieve their goal of impeaching Trump. Which also, is never going to happen.
     
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    But it's impossible to prove crimes without an indictment and trial
     
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    So we're back to impeachment is impossible or the GOP will ignore any crimes Mueller finds
     
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    Mueller is dirty and conflicted and attempting to investigate under a General Warrant, a practice that is forbidden under our Constitution, that is why we have the 4th amendment. Such desperate measures only underscore that there is no probable cause that a crime has been committed nor that Trump has committed any crimes, so, there is no real reason to engage your fanciful day dreams.

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    Flashback: Robert Mueller Recused Himself in 2006 When Involved in Case with Acquaintance

    If you look at the special counsel statute it says you cannot serve as special counsel if you have a personal relationship with someone who is central to the case. If the investigation centers around Obstruction of Justice, then it's Trump vs Comey. Well, guess what? Comey and Mueller are longtime close personal friends, partners, allies. They were joined at the hip at the DOJ and FBI. It’s a mentor-protege relationship. How is this fair to Donald Trump because Mueller is now going to decide whether to believe his good friend or the man who fired his good friend?

    In fact, Robert Mueller demonstrated that he understood this when he recused himself from a case in 2006 due to his relationship with the defendant in the Decker College inquiry. Mueller and the college president William Weld were friends and former colleagues.

    The New York Times reported:

    The F.B.I. director will not play a role in the inquiry into Decker College, the Kentucky school once run by William F. Weld, because the director and Mr. Weld, a Republican candidate for governor, are friends and former colleagues, an F.B.I. spokesman said yesterday. The New York Post reported the decision by Robert Mueller, the director, yesterday. The New York Democratic Party had asked that Mr. Mueller recuse himself, according to a party spokesman. Mr. Weld has not been accused of any wrongdoing involving Decker, which declared bankruptcy last fall amid allegations of fraud.

     
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    And misdemeanors.
     
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    He could be impeached which is not a current likelihood with the "Party Before Country" GOP. However, he could be charged at a later time once he leaves office. Unless, of course, another GOPer quisling wins the office and pardons the bag of **** of all crimes.
     
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    Unless they find violation of state laws....
     
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    Enjoy your wet dreams. CNN has thrown in the towel, you should throw yours away too.
     
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    Wet dreams...
     
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    It's the Obama Adm. that will be facing prosecutions, and sooner than you think....
     
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    No, since those are almost all likely to be perpetrated by the Obama illegal wiretapping/unmasking cabal....
     
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    The Left attacks Trump for the Russian cyberattack efforts that happened while Obama was responsible for our National Security.

    Let that sink in...everyone else is....
     
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    First they'll have to be under criminal investigation like team trump. Maybe one day lol
     
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    State's cannot impeach the POTUS, and state law's cannot be prosecuted by the Federal Government.

    Who taught you Civics...Al Franken?
     
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    The problem is your reading comprehension not my civics. I said he can't be pardoned for state crimes.
     
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    Then your premise is even more asinine. No state can/will prosecute the POTUS. Not to mention, it isn't Trump who needs to be worried anymore....clearly.
     
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    Already happening, starting with Lynch...
     
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    He is not creating jobs. Carrier is laying off 600 workers. Boeing is laying off 1300 workers. Ford agreed not to open a factory in Mexico.
    Instead they are opening the factory in China. He is proposing a huge tax decrease for the wealthy to 15%. Why didn't he reduce it to 20% and raise the tax deduction for the working middle class to $50,000 so that working middle class would have more discretionary
    funds in their pocket? It is all for the wealthy. I don't think that manufacturing factories that have spent a fortune to establish themselves
    in other countries will pick up their tents and return to America. Also the cost of benefits here is a huge factor, and this will influence their decision. Those that do return are operating with more robots and less humans.
     
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    Buncha bullshit. Overall jobs and WAGES are up since Trump took office. Try the BLS instead of the Daily Pus....

    Has nothing to do with the hot water gathering around Obama and his minions over Russia and wiretapping/unmasking.

    Get ready...it's coming...
     
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    All true, toots. All true. No wiretapping. Trump was told about Russian interference in January. All true. All true. Take the blinders off. It ain't what you think it is. Amazing, when the facts slap you and you still are in denial.
     
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    Not while he's in office. Why chime in if you're not going to take a minute to get the context?
     
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    Who launched a criminal prove into her? Source?
     
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    I'm sorry but, you don't seem to be keeping up with current events, and I'm not sure you understand how corporate taxes work. These are technically paid by corporations, but ALL costs a corporation incurs, are passed on to the consumer. There are only two sides to a leger: money in and money out. All the money out, must be covered by the money in. Ford Motor Company doesn't pay their corporate tax; you do, when you buy their cars. High corporate taxes make products cost more. That is bad for the consumer.

    The METHOD by which he intends to boost the economy is his tax plan, that hasn't passed yet. That is the fault of congress, not the president. His tax plan doesn't cut the taxes of the wealthy to 15%, it cuts the corporate rate to 15%. Since we now have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, that stifles business expansion. The high corporate tax rate also causes corporations to not bring foreign profits home to the shareholders, but rather keep them over seas to expand their operations there. This keeps a lot of money from being invested here at home, much of which would have lead to new jobs.

    The standard deduction, which is what most Americans pay on their tax returns, is being doubled under the Trump plan. This literally doubles the untaxed portion of income, and allows people to save money on tax preparation, since it's doubtful many would have enough itemized deductions to exceed the new standard deduction. This means you can fill out a one page form and be done with taxes that quickly. This also means most people will see a large tax return, that will act as a stimulus of sorts. People tend to spend their tax return, not save it. Since payroll taxes are deducted on a separate line, it could very well be that you can make nearly $50,000 before paying income tax. Most Americans do not currently pay any income tax, due to the deductible payroll taxes.

    There is no panacea to the lost manufacturing jobs of the 1950's. Manufacturing boomed in this country back then, in large part due to much of the world being under a pile of rubble, while our factories went undamaged by war. You are correct that companies will not up and abandon every factory abroad. However, that doesn't mean the situation cannot be improved. There are many factors to why people don't want to build factories here in the US, aside from high wages. Many companies would gladly build here, if they could pay a little less in taxes, because our country is safe, stable, and our work force is educated.

    Cutting back on burdensome regulations will also improve industrial activity here at home. We can have laws that dictate rules of the road, without making companies hire an army of compliance officers, out of fear of high penalties. You and I both know we are not permitted to murder other people, and we don't. But nobody is asking us to PROVE we didn't murder, quarterly or monthly, by filling out complicated forms, that carry massive penalties if filled out slightly wrong. These policies are created by Democrats, to stifle business, because they care more about fossil fuel use, than workers. (This is why they are losing elections.)

    Regarding automation, this is a fear of the left that is not based in reality. Prior to the industrial revolution, 97% of the workers in the world, worked in farming. The combustion engine completely destroyed the vast majority of those jobs. Yet, there was not mass starvation, etc. Why is that? It's because those jobs were replaced by all the new jobs we could do in factories making things. The entire world changed, and in the end, those with excess capital and those with excess time, got together and everything was fine. This will never change. As long as there are things only humans can do, there will be other humans who want to pay humans to do them. So when machines take away the manufacturing jobs, like they did the farming jobs, humans will just do other things with their time. There is no logical reason to assume that even though we have the ability to feed everyone on the planet, that we would stop doing that because of robots, etc. Mankind has moved past that sort of thinking, long, long ago. The world will not starve to death.
     
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