Democrats file HR 420 to legalize pot

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  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    It allows the states to do so. The same way it allows states to pass much harsher - or more lenient - gun laws than the Feds do.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did a quick Google search, and found your claim to be untrue. CA HS graduation rate is 83%, and there are many States below 80%.
     
  3. Phyxius

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    Immediately knew it was BS 'cause Ol' Bob never provided a link to back it up.
     
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    CNS is apparently quite happy to cover the story.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...e-california-no-1-percentage-residents-25-and

    (CNSNews.com) - California ranks No. 1 among the 50 states for the percentage of its residents 25 and older who have never completed ninth grade and 50th for the percentage who have graduated from high school, according to new data from the Census Bureau.


    Texas ranks No. 2 for the percentage of its residents 25 and older who have never completed ninth grade and 49th for the percentage who have graduated from high school.


    9.7 percent of California residents 25 and older, the Census Bureau says, never completed ninth grade. Only 82.5 percent graduated from high school.


    8.7 percent of Texas residents 25 and older never completed ninth grade, and only 82.8 percent graduated from high school.


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    California and Texas—while having the highest percentages of residents 25 and older who never finished ninth grade and the lowest percentages who graduated from high school—are the nation’s two most populous states.


    In fact, the 2,510,370 California residents 25 and older who, according to the Census Bureau, never finished ninth grade outnumber the entire populations of 15 other states.


    In California, children are required to attend school from six years of age until they are 18. “California’s compulsory education laws require children between six and eighteen years of age to attend school, with a limited number of exceptions,” says the California Legislative Analyst’s Office, an agency of the California state government. (The National Center for Education Statistics also indicates that children in California are compelled by law to attend school from 6 to 18 years of age.)


    Massachusetts ranks No. 1 for the percentage of its residents 25 and older—42.1 percent--who have earned at least a bachelor’s degree.


    These rankings are based on data from the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey 5-year estimates, which were released this month.


    In the survey, the Census Bureau asks respondents to specify the level of educational attainment for each individual in their household. The question is: “What is the highest degree or level of school this person has COMPLETED. Mark (X) ONE box. If currently enrolled, mark the previous grade or highest degree received.”


    The survey form then offers the respondent multiple options ranging from “no schooling completed” to “professional degree” or “doctorate degree.” If an individual has not earned a high school degree, the respondent is asked to specify the highest grade the individual actually completed—ranging from “nursery school” through “12th grade—NO DIPLOMA.”


    The Census Bureau’s American Community Survey queries a random sample of more than 3.5 million U.S. households each year and publishes a one-year estimate for each year. The five-year estimate, the bureau says, “is a weighted average of the five one-year estimates.” The newly released five-year estimates are for the period from 2013 through 2017.


    Nationwide, 5.4 percent of residents 25 and older have never finished ninth grade, according to the latest five-year estimates.


    Ten states exceeded the nationwide level of residents 25 and older who have never finished ninth grade. These include: California (9.7 percent), Texas (8.7 percent), New York (6.5 percent), New Mexico (6.5 percent), Kentucky (6.1 percent), Nevada (5.9 percent), Arizona (5.9 percent), Mississippi (5.6 percent), Rhode Island (5.5 percent), and Louisiana (5.4 percent).


    Wyoming—with 1.8 percent—had nation’s smallest percentage of residents 25 and older who never finished ninth grade.


    In seventeen states, the percentage of residents 25 and older who at least graduated from high school was less than the nationwide percentage of 87.3 percent.


    These seventeen states included: California (82.5 percent), Texas (82.8 percent), Mississippi (83.4 percent), Louisiana (84.3 percent), New Mexico (85 percent), Kentucky (85.2 percent), Alabama (85.3 percent), Arkansas (85.6 percent), Nevada (85.8 percent), West Virginia (85.9 percent), New York (86.1 percent), Georgia (86.3 percent), Tennessee (86.5 percent), South Carolina (86.5 percent), Arizona (86.5 percent), North Carolina (86.9 percent), and Rhode Island (87.3 percent).


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    Nationwide, 30.9 percent of residents 25 and older have a bachelor’s degree or higher.


    In nineteen states, the percentage with a bachelor’s degree or higher exceeds the national percentage. These nineteen states include both No. 14 California (32.6) and No. 9 New York (35.3), which respectively ranked No.1 and No. 3 for the percentage of residents 25 and older who never finished ninth grade.


    The ten states with the highest percentage of residents 25 and older who earned a bachelor’s degree or higher are: Massachusetts (42.1 percent), Colorado (39.4 percent), Maryland (39 percent), Connecticut (38.4 percent), New Jersey (38.1 percent), Virginia (37.6 percent), Vermont (36.8 percent), New Hampshire (36 percent), New York (35.3 percent), and Minnesota (34.8 percent).


    West Virginia—at 19.9 percent—has the lowest percentage of residents with a bachelor’s degree or higher.


    In another seven states, the percentage of residents who have a bachelor’s degree or higher is less than 25 percent. They are: Mississippi (21.3 percent), Arkansas (22 percent), Kentucky (23.2 percent), Louisiana (23.4 percent), Nevada (23.7 percent), Alabama (24.5 percent) and Oklahoma (24.8 percent).


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    In California, according to the Census Bureau’s five-year estimates, the resident population 25 and older was 25,950,818. Of those individuals, 2,510,370—or 9.7 percent--never completed ninth grade.


    Another 2,033,160 California residents 25 and older completed the ninth, tenth, eleventh or twelfth grade—but did not earn a high school diploma. Thus, a total of 4,543,530 California residents 25 and older—or a nation-leading 17.5 percent--have never graduated from high school.


    Those 2,510,370 individuals 25 and older in California who never finished 9th grade outnumber the entire populations of 15 other states, according to the Census Bureau’s latest population estimates. These include: Alaska (737,438), Delaware (967,171), Hawaii (1,420,491), Idaho (1,754,208), Maine (1,338,404), Montana (1,062,305), Nebraska (1,929,268), New Hampshire (1,356,458), New Mexico (2,095,428), North Dakota (760,077), Rhode Island (1,057,315), South Dakota (882,235), Vermont (626,299), West Virginia (1,805,832), and Wyoming (577,737).


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    In Texas, the resident population 25 and older was 17,454,431. Of those individuals, 1,513,995—or 8.7 percent—never completed ninth grade. That outnumbers the populations of 11 states.
     
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    Interesting. Did all of them go to school in California? If not, what percentage dropped out in other states before moving there? Devil's in the details, you know. None of your pretty graphics seem to address this. In the time since 24 year olds were freshmen, California's population has grown by 3.31 million. That's 800,000 more than the number of dropouts. How many of those were dropouts from other states? How does that skew the narrative you're peddling? Enquiring minds want to know.
     
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    Bwahaha, most of the financially successful people I know smoke pot. That's hilarious
     
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    Both Texas and California have a high percentage of blsck and hipanic residents

    We are admitting people from mexico who do not even understand Spanish much less English
     
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    And yet the homeLess shelters are filled with people who at least started with pot before moving on the stronger stuff
     
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    Doesn't address the question raised, but thanks for giving us the Kekistani perspective... :roll:
     
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    I’m not going to speculate about migrant illiterites from other states when we know millions are pouring across the border from mexico
     
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    They started on milk before moving on to pot. You wanna ban milk?
     
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    Well I am not the one who needs to post butt pictures to add credability to my idiotic ravings.
     
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    If she’s a junkie yes
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnZnjM8mrEQ

    When you find yourself sitting at a stoplight and don’t remember leaving the freeway, and your passenger doesn’t either, you will have had your Cheech and Chong moment.

    What FDA labels will you require on the packages? “As of 01/14/2019 text has not been received for H.R.420 - To provide for the regulation of marijuana products, and for other purposes.”

    Paranoia, “anxiety; worry; poor mood and negative thoughts about self; poorer short-term memory; and various changes in perception, such as sounds being louder and colors brighter than normal, and altered sense of time.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/research-explains-why-pot-can-make-you-paranoid/

    Why is it that most people who want to decriminalize marijuana lie their asses off about the effects?

    Oh, look, they say traffic fatalities have not increased, really, and then go into the real reason why on the same page:

    “The court further ruled that a police officer may not testify ‘without being qualified as an expert [as] to the effects of marijuana consumption [or] offer an opinion that a defendant was intoxicated by marijuana [because] no such general knowledge exists as to the physical or mental effects of marijuana consumption, which vary greatly amongst individuals.’”
    https://blog.norml.org/tag/driving/

    Must have been high out of their mind to miss the correlation.

    Old car ran great when I was high on marijuana, did not when off it; now tell me what part of the car was bad?

    It is scary enough riding in traffic on a motorcycle when people text, put on makeup, have a freaking TV on their dashboard, not to mention saccadic masking combined with marijuana’s effects.
     
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    The biggest threat to our children is government involvement. It is still illegal for them to buy alcohol, tobacco, or firearms. The topic is legal pot for adults.

    Do you think pot smokers ever had trouble finding it? Is it worth the billions in law enforcement and prison? Face it. Pot smokers are not a danger to society.
     
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    Government brainwashing in the lib public schools is indeed harmfulto children

    And even maybe as you claim arguably worse

    But that does not lesson the damage of pot on developing adolescent brains
     
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    Because Obama and Hillary (along with Red Establishment) hate the founding principles - Essential liberty is "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't.
     
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    I volunteered to help an English teacher in Central America and it was to the advantage of the teachers that all the children had passing grades, deserving or not. One teacher actually walked through the aisles correcting children when the final exams were taking place so they'd be sure to pass.

    I don't know if it's that blatant elsewhere but we can see, from a teachers point of view, that better marks suggest a better teacher. Of course this is of no long-term benefit to the student.
     
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    So would you be ok with this passing with an amendment to allow people to not receive any government funding if they popped positive for a drug test? If you've got money to smoke, or drink, then you don't need government help? Can't have more freedom without the freedom to fail.
     
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    I smoked loads of the stuff as an adolescent - yet - I am far more educated and way smarter than you - which is in part evidence by this really bad/uneducated argument.

    I am not sure what you smoked as a child but - something has impaired your ability to learn because I have explained to you why this is a bad argument numerous times.

    So you favor law based on "harm reduction" - "If it saves one life"/ reduces harm or potential harm.

    I guess we should then ban skiing tomorrow - would this not save one life/ reduce harm ? of course it would.
    Boating ? good gosh - that is really dangerous - one could drown.
    Driving a car ? forget it - that is one of the most dangerous things one can do.

    In fact one should probably not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break something.

    Horrible argument based on Utilitarianism but - not even a good Utilitarianism argument.

    Point 2. Clearly you hate the founding principles = "essential liberty is ABOVE the legitimate authority of Gov't" and "consent of the Governed".

    Instead you favor what is referred to in both Republicanism and Classical Liberalism as "Tyranny of the Majority".
     
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    It seems we're confusing indoctrination with education and a longer time spent in higher education only means the student has been indoctrinated over a longer period of time.
     
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    It is still illegal for minors to buy, possess, or use. The discussion is about adults. Legal pot shops do not sell to minors. Keeping it illegal gives a monopoly to criminals. Do they sell to minors?
     
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    There is not a single documented case of someone who died from smoking too much pot. It's simply not possible.
     
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    You would have a better chance at reducing pot use in adolescent children via legalizing its use in adults and using the tax dollars to better enforce pot laws and advertising the negative effects.
     

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