Democrats Just Admitted Their Goal is to Shutdown the Government .....

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  1. MMC

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    Oh noes.....now CNN jumps on the bandwagon with NBC and busts the Demos out for shutting down the government.



    CNN to Dems: Why Did You Vote to Shut Down the Government?

    Democrats insist they don't want the government to shut down this weekend, but their votes don't back up their claims. On Thursday, the House passed a short term spending bill to keep the government funded. Only five Democrats voted yes. It needs 60 votes to pass the Senate, but plenty of Democratic senators have indicated they'll vote against any measure that simply "kicks the can down the road."

    CNN anchors - yes CNN - are calling them out on their hypocrisy.

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) was pressed about why he voted against the measure. He says he voted against a continuing resolution, not to shut down the government. But, that's not how CNN's Erin Burnett saw it.

    Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) later joined Chris Cuomo to tell him that Mitch McConnell had planned to use this vote as political theater "from the get go."

    He said he'll be voting against cloture, which puzzled Cuomo.

    "Just to make it clear to the audience - you voted yes to proceed because you want to debate this bill - that's what that bill means," Cuomo said. "But you're saying you're going to vote no against it but you're saying you hope the government doesn't shut down...why would you vote no if you don't want the government to shut down?" ....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...you-vote-to-shut-down-the-government-n2436843
     
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    Trying to blame Democrats is failing miserably. Even the Trump pom pom flailers at Fox are conceding that both the budget and DACA matters could be resolved by Republicans if they wanted to - as was the case with the long-promised repeal of the Affordable Care Act and passage of "something terrific!" Trump®Care that covers "everybody!"

    Republicans desperately tried to blame Democrats when Carnival Cruz led a gang of kamikaze Repubs in shutting it down in 2013. Even with a Democratic President, Americans blamed primarily Repubs, of course. (62%)
     
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  3. MMC

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    Still trying to avoid reality eh Natty.....you can report back to your Masters you have failed miserably.

    Hence CNN joining NBC in setting out your Masters. As evidenced in the post above yours.

    You have been crushed with an eyeliner....by your own kind.

    Reading is fun and mental.....but that doesn't explain your limitation with reading.
     
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    Yes it's true.if Republicans have Democrats DACA there would be no government shutdown. Your point is?
     
  5. MMC

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    To deny reality and the truth. Hence his avoidance of links that he can't debunk. The usual.
     
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    "You guys are going to have to come up with a solution [for DACA], and I'm going to sign that solution!" Trump said.

    Trump, who campaigned as a hardliner on immigration, had promised during his campaign to immediately terminate DACA — which he described as “illegal executive amnesty”

    “We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud,” Trump told Time in December. “They got brought here at a very young age, they’ve worked here, they’ve gone to school here. Some were good students. Some have wonderful jobs. And they’re in never-never land because they don’t know what’s going to happen.”

    A bipartisan group of senators unveiled their immigration proposal with new supporters - Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, introduced their bill Wednesday afternoon with Sens. Bob Menendez, D-New Jersey, Michael Bennet, D-Colorado, Jeff Flake, R-Arizona, Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota. The bill appeared to be the same that was presented to President Donald Trump last week, when the President, using vulgar terms, rejected the pitch, according to sources familiar with that meeting.

    Since they had reached a bipartisan solution, all the Repubs need to do is submit the bill for votes in the House and Senate, and tell Trump to keep his word and write his name very big.

    A clean DACA bill now?


    "We have to do DACA first!"
    Flippy does it again:

    "I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor, but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."
    Mitch McConnell​
     
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    Trump is finally learning how to be a politician even though he doesn't like being a politician. It's called survival in Washington these days. Obama pulled the same stunt when he called republicans in to a meeting about Obamocare, and then proceeded to tell them, he won the election and that is that. It's what is commonly known as a "photo op."

    Steve
     
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    Most Americans will hold Republicans responsible for a government shutdown.

    A new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds substantially greater Republican risk in a government shutdown, with Americans by a 20-point margin saying they’re more likely to blame Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress than the congressional Democrats if one occurs.

    Forty-eight percent in the national survey say they’d blame Trump and the GOP, vs. 28 percent who’d blame the Democrats in Congress. An additional 18 percent would blame both equally.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107
    I can find no reputable public surveys that differ.
     
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    Of course you can't.....that's until people find out NBC and CNN reporting that the Demos are to blame. For some odd reason your ABC poll don't mention that.

    But you cling to those Polls, alright lil fella.
     
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    He-heh, and Chuck U. Schumer was just quoted on radio as saying "we don't disagree."

    The last shutdown occurred when republicans stood fast against Obama to force lower spending in 2013 for the first time in modern history. Then republicans took control of the Senate in 2014. HA!

    Dems have been LOSING ELECTIONS SINCE 2010!

    Steve
     
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    “How can you have a government shutdown when one party controls both Congress and the White House?
    If it happens, it will be because Republicans couldn’t keep key factions of their party happy or curry favor with Democrats over immigration — not to mention tweets undermining the negotiations from President Trump himself.”

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    So, you cannot find any public survey that does not confirm that most Americans
    will hold Republicans responsible for a government shutdown.

    Neither can I.
     
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    Trump on
    Fox and Friends:

    "Who is going to take the blame? In the board room here, who's getting fired? Who is going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed there's a shutdown of our government?"

    Trump said, "If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president is the leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."

    He continued, "The interesting thing is, in 25 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States. Who was the president at that time? They're not going to be talking who the head of the House was, the head of the Senate. who's running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."
     
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    First, I'm not brainwashed by the fascist democrat party media and don't believe what polls say no matter who is reporting it.

    Second, I'm waiting for the memo to be released from the House Intel Committee that committee dems are fighting hard to keep from being made public. It's obviously devastating to dems and bureaucrats. A couple of committee reps have stated that it is "breathtaking," and will put a few people in prison.

    If you read other sources than the fascist's crap from dems you would be very worried about that instead a minor political scuffle in congress.

    Steve
     
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    I've speculated(as have others) on that document. When Comey originally testified that he wasn't going to investigate the Flynn leaks, I knew something was up right there and right then. I knew the intelligence community was being dishonest with the American People.
     
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    Why do Democrats want illegal migrants to stay? Can anyone help out a foreigner here? If they can't vote, what is their purpose to the average Dem?
     
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    America is at pretty much full employment now. The "dreamers" grew up as Americans. It is silly to treat them as some kind of foreign invader. Personally, I think it's an immense waste to throw them out. We educated them and need to get the benefits of that education into our economy.
     
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    Most Americans (including most Republicans) want the Dreamers to stay. That said, it shouldn't be part of this particular law. Shutting down the government is a foolish move. It just costs us more money for less services than we normally get.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/05/poll-trump-deporting-daca-dreamers-242343
     
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    Not necessarily true if you how "unemployment" numbers are calculated. People are ONLY counted as unemployed while they are actively seeking employment. Approximately 95 million citizens have dropped out of the workforce, lowest participation level since the 1970s. More importantly, wages have stagnated for many years due to the sluggish economy AND lower wages paid to immigrants competing for jobs.

    The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates there are 27 million legal AND ILLEGAL immigrant workers in our workforce. That's 16.7 percent of the ENTIRE WORKFORCE. That has got to be one of the primary reasons wages have been stagnant.

    It was also the reason immigration laws were created in the first place, to protect the American worker.

    Steve
     
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    I agree. We should eliminate the deficit. 5% reduction across the board for every fed-gov department until revenues match expenses. And then, after that, I would continue cuts until the fed-gov has a positive cash flow and can start paying off its debts.
     
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    The only reason it's in this legislation is that DACA is expiring very soon and Republicans have stonewalled renewal and will continue to do so
     
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    Good thing you aren't in charge of anything that matters.
    '
    You would crash the economy
     
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    You Sir are a typical Leftist :) And I would love to see how you manage your personal debt, although I have my suspicions LOLOL
     
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    How would it?
     
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    Like Obama,their titular head the New Democrat party is
    full of lazy losers.Like Tom Perez.Who was on Fox at
    7 pm last night w/ Martha MacCallum.Perez was incapable
    of making any sense.He appeared like a wild animal
    that's been trapped in some wildlife cage by fur trappers.
    They got used to being lazy,under Obama due entirely
    to the death of Journalism.Those in the Mainstream media
    are not acting anything like Jpurnalists.One reason why
    Trump was victorious.The American people,by and large
    are sick to death of these lazy,incorrible MSM Journalists.
    The Dems felt the entirety of the MSM would again,like
    Obama,back them up full tilt boogie.
    That is what happens in a Banana Republic.
    Trump was elected to Stop that from going Forward.
    Instead of ... Lean Forward it turned into
    Lean Stupid.
     
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