Democrats speaking out of the side of their mouth over infrastructure

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All we have heard is that we must rebuild our infrastructure. They're falling apart. Condemned Trump for not rebuilding any. But when Obama was in office and begging for good jobs after the crash, who was having the Chinese building America's infrastructure? The two biggest Blue states, California and NY.

     
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    I am pretty consistently of the opinion that "infrastructure" seldom creates good long term employment. It has been quite standardized into modular building. It didn't even take them a year locally to demo two bridges, replace them and add a third bridge as part of Obama's "shovel-ready" projects spending and then the company was off to somewhere else. I am not saying we shouldn't streamline these type projects. Just that they aren't rainmakers like they used to be back when something like we had going on would have taken a years.
     
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    California rejected federal money for that bridge, as your video plainly states at 1:25. Also:

    New York Times, June 25, 2011: The assembly work in California, and the pouring of the concrete road surface, will be done by Americans. But construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of millions of dollars by turning to China.

    California decided not to apply for federal funding for the project because the “Buy America” provisos would probably have required purchasing more expensive steel and fabrication from United States manufacturers.


    The news report in your video is quite clear that STATE OFFICIALS, not federal, made the decision, and PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD PRECISELY DICK to do with it.

    I also find it interesting that you seemed to omit the fact that the ground-breaking ceremony — which occurred five days after the ABC News report — was attended by Rep. Don Young and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, two Republicans who represent Alaska in Congress.

    ODS fail...
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Construction is always build and move on to the next structure. But construction pays very well and if we are going to rebuild America's infrastructure, lets do it with American help and American steel, not Chinese who's just about ready to pass America as the best economy in the world. Our steel mills really do need the business. One reason Trump chose steel over cement walls on the border. We can't afford to lose our steel mills, they saved our ass during WWII.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think I mentioned Obama at all in my post except he was looking for jobs like that to rebuild our economy and maybe the reason I didn't mention the two Republican from Alaska was because it wasn't mentioned in the video they were there.
     
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    And are we gonna forget Richard "I can't remember the name of the agency The Trunt nominated me to head" Perry selling Texas toll roads to a Spanish company (Cintas) that rapidly went bankrupt? Trans Texas Corridor, anyone? :roflol:
     
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    I am fine with saving steel production. I am just not sure that many of these projects will do that. Maybe they will get a temporary bump of a few percent per year over the ten years for the rebar and plate steel, but it is not going to save the industry or the manufacturers. China is cutting steel and aluminum production to try to get a handhold on pollution. It is why the price and demand of iron ore are way down in spite of the skyrocketing market prices for finished metals.
     
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    Democrats have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The only topics they focus on are skin color, sexual orientation, gender orientation, pronouns, etc.. Jobs, infrastructure, stock market… the things that REALLY matter… that’s an afterthought with these people. These clowns want to give illegals 450k per head that crossed into our border. That tells you everything you need to know.
     
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    We need our steel industry. We don't want to depend on China or any other country for it. During WWII we lost about 1,500 ships, there is no way we could do that today and here we have China pouring billions into their military, threatening us over Taiwan, which we have a defense treaty and building the biggest military. Their new nuclear sub factory can double the output of ours.

    China is cutting pollution at home, but building hundreds of coal plants abroad.

    Edward Cunningham, a specialist on China and its energy markets at Harvard University, tells NPR that China is building or planning more than 300 coal plants in places as widely spread as Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt and the Philippines.
    China Building Hundreds Of Coal-Fired Power Plants Abroad ...
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    www.npr.org/2019/04/29/716347646/why-is-china-placing-a-global-bet-on-coal
     
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    Well in reverse order, your article seems to make it clear that they are cutting pollution at home because it is so bad there (not for climate reasons) and their "building overseas" is really just providing financing for projects in those places. If they didn't, someone else would and would get the profits. China is really doing a good job on insulating itself from being sanctioned to death like a lot of poop hole places. They create revenue streams across all the currencies out there so that they can continue to be able to buy and sell overseas unimpeded.

    As for steel being critical for the military, that is an apples and oranges thing. We shouldn't mandate people people wear suits of armor again just because it would boost sales in a critical material sector.
     
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    You sir seem to remind me of your Democratic Party. They spent four years accusing Trump of being a Russian Puppet when all along it was Obama giving into them.. All we heard from the Democrats is Russia, Russia, Russia, when all along Trump knew our biggest problem was China, not Russia. Even Biden last year said China is not our problem, They are a huge problem and we had better get serious about it or we;ll find ourselves in a war with them over Taiwan and China has a defense treaty with Russia.
    It makes no difference if those coal plants are built in China or the countries named. There is over 200 already built around the world and pollution knows no borders. What they do over there effects us here. No sir, they are just not financing those plants, they are building many of them. Even if it was just financing, they are helping to pollute the planet.They belong to the Paris Accords, but are exempt till 2030. Till then, they can pollute all they want while the democrats want to close down our 15 plants, building no more here that will drive up costs for electricity, fuel for those who can afford it the least to save the world.
     
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    Well, first, I am not a democrat and none of what you posted about politics seems on point or relevant. Smog, however, does know borders and that is what they are addressing---their citizens breathing cleaner air. The Chinese government's window for green energy is much much longer than the "We are doomed" people. They are looking at more along the lines of a 40-60 year window, not a "2030 or Bust" window. I personally think that their plan is more realistic, especially considering where they are starting from.

    As for an alleged war with China and Russia over Taiwan, that's just not a realistic scenario. Neither the United States nor the UN recognize Taiwan as an independent country. It has been deemed a part of China since the 70's.
     
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    Good for China, I'm glad she is making the air cleaner at home. But building over 300 new coal plants to go with over 200 already going, does nothing for cutting pollution or global warming.



    BIDEN SAYS US WOULD DEFEND TAIWAN FROM ATTACK, CHINA SAYS THERE'S ‘NO ROOM FOR COMPROMISE’

    Further pushed about whether the United States would defend Taiwan from a Chinese attack, Biden added: "Yes. Yes, we have a commitment to do that."

    The remark quickly made headlines, as the U.S. policy for decades has been one of "strategic ambiguity" toward how it would respond to such an attack. The 1979 Taiwan Relations Act commits the U.S. to support Taiwan, including providing it defensive capabilities, but not necessarily to engage in a military conflict.
     
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    a 60 year useable life of a coal generator built today still fits within a 60 years to be off coal timeframe. As for Biden declaring something, it doesn't make it true or mean that our "defense" would be a military one. The White House immediately started walking back Biden's comments https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...by-white-house-internal-policy-debate-experts
     
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    If these nations and China had plans to help the planet with pollution and global warming they would start now, building solar, nuclear, water and wind turbines to cut both. The Left makes you believe in 10 years all our coastal cities will be under water from melting ice caps. Meanwhile Obama buys a multi million dollar home on some island. We have Biden and many ranking Democrats ready to sink our economy with all kinds of tax hikes and new regulations, to save the world, which helped make Obama's economy so bad. I think the Democratic Party needs a reality check before they make us a second rate country.
     
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    Biden's not all there. Taiwan: The Taiwanese invasion plan is to blow up the Three Gorges Dam and drown several hundred million Chinese, along with a whole lot of industry and agriculture. That's their MAD strategy against the CCP trying to actively destroy the Free Island Nation. More likely "CCP will use subversion, rather than brute force, as that seems to be its preferred approach."

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/493008/
     

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