Denmark and Sweden pause use of Moderna vaccine for young people

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Northern European countries of Denmark and Sweden have paused the use of the Moderna vaccine for Covid-19 in young people over concerns of rare side effects.

    Denmark will stop the vaccine for those under 18 years of age, while Sweden will stop it for those born in the year 1991 and later (those who are less than 21 years of age).

    Data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated. Those conditions involve an inflammation of the heart or its lining.

    "In the preliminary data, there is a suspicion of an increased risk of heart inflammation, when vaccinated with Moderna," The Danish Health Authority said in a statement.

    In Norway, the country's Institute of Public Health specifically recommends that men under 30 years of age receive the Cominarty vaccine (made by the company BioNTech).

    4,000 Americans have died from the virus after having received the vaccine, and it is estimated that in the US there have been 11,000 deaths caused by the vaccines.

    There have been 300,000 reports of adverse effects from the Moderna vaccine in the US.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    ...and the mainstream media is silent about this, revealing it's an essential part of the deception.
     
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    Finland is pausing it, too.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These people think 11,000 is just a tiny blip on the radar, and in their minds think the virus is going to kill "millions", so any measures have to be taken to stop it.
    Including misleading the public and being dishonest with them in order to get them to take the vaccines.

    That is Socialist mentality right there. Sacrifices have to be made for the supposed "collective good".

    Also there is a constant feedback circle of cognitive bias. People in positions of influence think the proposed solution to the problem is an absolute necessity, so they emphasize all the pros of the solution while negating the cons, in an attempt to push it. But these little bits of intellectual dishonesty then get propagated along to someone else who now takes this information into account in their opinions.
    So it gets amplified. Like a game of telephone. As it propagates, each new person in the chain begins to think it is more and more absolutely essential and any measures have to be taken to push it, including biasing the information a little bit. They don't realize their actions are just a small part in a long chain that goes around in a big circle.
     
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    Where is this11,000 figure from?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't realize it has a link and is underlined?

    Try clicking on it.


    To be fair, most of these people who died from the vaccine were probably on the cusp of death anyway and had other underlying conditions. But that's also true of those who died from the virus. It just pushed them over the edge. They already weren't that far away from the cliff anyway.
     
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    That probably won’t help. People who don’t understand vaccine hesitancy routinely label anything they disagree with as “fake news” or “debunked.” It’s like Tourette syndrome with them, they can’t help themselves.
     
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    Neither of the links in your OP load. Now I do have some pretty aggressive DNS filters engaged to stop malicious payloads typically found in the adnets of websites like fring political blogs - if that's what those websites are. But point being I cant see where they source that figure, if they source it at all.
     
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    The data comes from reports submitted to VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System).

    "Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 9, 2021, a total of 463,457 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 10,991 deaths"
     
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    Ah ha, ok I figured but didn't want to assume. I'm sorry but VAERS is simply just not trustworthy. Its a public submission forum that requires no validation, no authentication, no corroboration, and has been hijacked by anti-vax conspiracy theorists.
     
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    Reports of death to VAERS would only be submitted by doctors or hospital officials. A doctor would risk losing his license sending false reports.
    (Also it would probably be very suspicious if one single doctor reported an unusually high number of deaths)

    It's very likely that not all of these deaths reported were actually caused by Covid, but at the same time it is believed VAERS probably drastically underestimates the number of actual incidents, because many incidents do not get reported.
     
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    Two problems.

     
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    I doubt even one person has submitted a report of death to VAERS who is not a doctor (or someone designated to do that who works at the hospital).

    Other incidents, yes, of course, anyone might submit them. But reports of death are a different thing.

    The rules technically don't preclude a report of death being submitted by a random person, but that's just not how things work. People who die typically have already been admitted to the hospital, or in rarer cases there is a coroner report, and the county medical examiner would usually be the one to file the report, since they are tasked with making a determination of the likely "cause of death". It would raise a lot of eyebrows, I would expect, if anyone reported a death without having medical qualifications, and not associated with either a hospital or medical examiner's office. Now how well VAERS verifies these reports of death are a different matter. I would guess they would at least do something to try to verify it, or verify the identity of the doctor submitting the report, or make a call to the hospital.
     
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    I saw something about New Zealand too

    worked for me
     
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    It's from VAERS, and many over the years including Harvard Medical School conclude that it is but the tip of the iceberg.

    A medical statistician did some calculations recently and says that the VAERS numbers should be multiplied by about 40 to arrive at a more accurate number.
     

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