Destroying our economy for nothing?

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  1. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

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    I’d be interested to see some statistics on businesses allowed to stay open and the incidence of Corona among employees compared to those staying home and out of work. Businesses remaining open are sanitizing surfaces regularly, wearing mask and gloves etc and I have to wonder why everyone can’t do this. I haven’t heard of any outbreaks of Corona among grocery store workers, truck drivers etc. Makes you wonder.
     
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    You didn't hear about the dead medical workers and emergency personnel?

    Did you hear about the choir in Washington. 60 people in the choir. Someone had it and didn't know it. 45 got sick and 2 have died so far.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with businesses that are staying open with proper safeguards.
     
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    Dey gonna have to rebuild the economy...

    ... den Trump can be King!
     
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    I am not sure proper safeguards can be fully enforced. People just don't act right. Six feet is six feet. Don't run up on me while shopping. Stay six feet away. I will do the same for you. Some people apologized to me for taking so much time in the aisle. I waited... they got their stuff, and we stayed 6 feet apart. I told them I didn't have to catch a bus and I could wait. Then there was the guy coughing all over the meat at Wal-Mart......
     
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    I’m not convinced that businesses won’t take proper safeguards to protect employees and customers. I’m not seeing news stories on outbreaks among employees of open businesses and we may be decimating our economy for nothing.
     
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    I don't know. Like Mike Rowe said.... In these times every worker is an essential worker.
     
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    Could not agree with you more. Everyone of us can tell a story about someone doing something stupid. All it takes is one infected person not taking the proper safeguards to kill thousands.
     
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    Yeah? Right.

    They are doing all this quarantine for NOTHING?

    Got it.

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    I would just bet if banks act right the economy will rebound. We will see when the pain sets in. And utility companies.. And finance companies... employees and employers. If we could just flatten the curve on greed.
     
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    Did I say that? Answer is no. What I said is I haven't noticed any news stories on essential workers getting Covid at a higher rate than those who lost their jobs. Makes me wonder if we are destroying our economy for nothing.
     
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    Economy can't rebound until people go back to work.
     
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    Anybody who is taking either of the two extremes is part of the problem. The solution has got to be somewhere in the middle.
     
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    Absolutely agree. We need large crowd things like concerts and theatres shut down but the vast majority of businesses could and should be up and running with Corona safeguards. If this shutdown continues our economy will fall in a hole that will take decades to climb out of. How many lives will that cost?
     
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    Another thing is national parks should be opened with limited entrance capacity to control crowds on trails which wouldn't be a bad idea anyway
     
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    You have no idea how difficult it is to keep your business open and have your employees work with confidence.
    I have a essential business.
    I started 3 Weeks ago to prepare my business for this crap, trained my employees got them the proper protection equipment, hand wash station, security zone and so on and son. Cost a lot of money.
    It takes constant action, constant over thinking, constant oversight.
    I am just small business, a factory with 10.000 workers, or just 100, how you are going to do that. Not enough room.
    Real estate is expensive, you max out the sqf, which means you pack as many machines and workers in there as possible.
    6 feet no way. My employees feel well taken care of. If I go to other essential stores, with face shield and mask, the girls at the register, they lost their laugh, they are friking scared.
    Yes, in a way they are lucky to have a job, but they are scared, because they have to interact with customers and don't know.
    They need the money, but they are scared.

    Never given so many pep talks, just to keep my employees working.
     
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    Awesome Job! It's not easy leading people, getting folks to quickly adopt more sanitary habits and keep them in place for the duration. And these essential employees are just that, essential.

    We Rethink "Essential":

    This crisis will be resolved by truckers running the long haul on deserted highways, doctors and nurse working double shifts in scavenged PPE, grocery store and gas station employees keeping services and food available, utility and telecom workers keeping a strained system functioning, grad students and other researchers poring over data and running countless tests in hopes of giving us an advantage, and ordinary people trying to follow often-contradictory guidance and do the right thing while facing a locked-down economy. At the top, we have leaders whose every move is scrutinized and fraught with potential peril – there might not be any good choices, just bad and not so bad. There is no room for our useless media and most of the common-taters. Activists can either pitch in or get lost. We no longer have time for indulging the delusion that they matter.​

    But your folks on the job? They matter.
     
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    Publix in Florida was reporting cases
     
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    I believe Amazon Warehouses have had some folks test positive.

    I don't believe our Economy is "destroyed". Once we reopen, I think we are going to ramp up so quickly that the world will look at us in open mouthed astonishment.

    One of the lessons here is that Trump has been right the whole time about China, international trade and border security. His critics are naive about geopolitical realities.

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    The COVID-19 crisis reveals what his strategy asserted: that the world is a competitive arena in which great power rivals like China seek advantage, that the state remains the irreplaceable agent of international power and effective action, that international institutions have limited capacity to transform the behavior and preferences of states.

    China has played a particularly harmful role in the current crisis, which began on its soil. Initially, that country’s lack of transparency prevented prompt action that might have contained the virus. In Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, Chinese officials initially punished citizens for “spreading rumors” about the disease. The lab in Shanghai that first published the genome of the virus on open platforms was shut down the next day for “rectification,” as the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post reported in February. Apparently at the behest of officials at the Wuhan health commission, news reports indicate, visiting teams of experts from elsewhere in China were prevented from speaking freely to doctors in the infectious-disease wards. Some experts had suspected human-to-human transmission, but their inquiries were rebuffed. “They didn’t tell us the truth,” one team member said of the local authorities, “and from what we now know of the real situation then, they were lying” to us.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493/

    So, we'll reopen after this crisis has passed, and our economy will resume it's powerful momentum and pro Chinese propaganda voices in our country might be a little bit more restrained. The nation will likely be more supportive of Trump's efforts to end their wholesale theft of American technology. We imported $452B from China last year which was about $90B less than the previous year. Hopefully we will be able to take that number down another $90B, replacing it with American industry, or at least with more honest trading partners with cleaner environmental regulations and civilized dietary habits.

    I think our 3rd Q growth will put rest to the fears that the US Economy is "destroyed".
     
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    Our economy is not yet destroyed but we are in the process of destroying it. If this goes on much longer we will be too far down a deep hole to climb out.
     

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