Did Covid-19 Develop In Wuhan China?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I assume the argument was same as the ones offered by Republican Politicians. Church leaders were quick to close them for the obvious reasons: to protect the congregation, and of course the political leadership (DeSantis) also gave the order to close doors. Florida closed even golf courses and boat ramps, which made people wonder, because those are outdoor and crowd less places. As for alcohol stores, they did stay open down here, and the argument was that they were essential. Restaurants were closed long time, so they were considered non-essential.

    Now sure how you shift 100% of the blame on Dems, but I guess some people just can't help it.
     
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    I like my freedoms. I will fight to keep them.

    It sucks that we have a party in America, that is trying to force Communism upon us, and destroy the American dream.
    It sucks, that we have a party(democrat politicians), that are trying to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and take our freedoms away.

    "Freedom isn't Free!"
     
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    Rules For Thee And Not Me!

    I brought that up, and Tucker Carlson ran with it. He had a whole episode on it.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    I'm more spiritual, than religious. I grew up in organized religion, and don't really like it.
    I know that there are many contradictions in it, and I've seen it first hand.

    However, a person doesn't have to go to church, in order to worship God and believe in him.

    At least, that is my beliefs.
     
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    It is horrifying to see the same types of people that gave us the Covid plandemic are telling us we don't really need guns and free speech is "limited." The part about speech is true but the limits are for actual torts and crimes. Not "hate speech" or simply going against their lying narratives. We have to pray there are not so many Covidiots out there that would be enough to keep these people that want to demote the US to being an exploited province of China in power.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    Under the Biden Administration, they've completely sold out America to China.

    Any form of government that tells their own people that they don't need to be able to protect themselves, isn't a form of government that is for the people. Not ultimately, anyways.

    Freedom of speech is definately limited on several sites, including forums, facebook, and other liberal ran websites. It's rules for them, but not Conservatives.

    they care about freedom of speech, and the Constitution, but only when it fits into their Agenda, and helps them. Otherwise they change it to conform their ways, or just make up their own laws, and pass legislation as fast as they can, without Americans, or even Republican politicians being able to go threw it.
     
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    Democrats not believing that Wuhan China started the virus, and not wanting them to be held accountable, is the same thing as them denying the joe biden as vice president never did pay for play, when he got caught on tape, telling a foreign country to stop investigating his son, or else, they wouldn't get billions of dollars.

    Two Teir Justice System. Cause only an American Democrat Politician could get away with something like this. If it were a Republican, they would have been in prison already, and it would have been a huge scandal. covered by fake news 24-7.

    Joe Biden Pressures Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor - YouTube
     
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    dear China,
    whatcha ganna do, whatcha ganna do, if American Republicans Come for you? lol.
    I hope they erase all of the national trade debt that we have with you, and then put a special tarrif on anything that we import from you, so you can stop controlling our markets, and destroying our economy.
     
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    Why should we tax ourselves like that?
     
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    NO, I asked you for a cite that actually corroborates your various claims.

    The WHO investigation did NOT determine that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.

    The funding from the US that the lab got was for important work that couldn't be done at other places.

    Let's remember that Wuhan has the expertise on the indigenous wildlife that harbors these SARS variants. That is important to the USA and the world. We need to be working with them at that site.
     
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    put a tariff on anything imported from other countries? That way more jobs would stay in America, and more Factories would open up again, like we use to have in America, and be the best industry in the World, and now we ship so much overseas.
     
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    Tariffs have the effect of raising the cost of goods for the country that is applying tariffs.

    Remember the Trump tariffs on steel and aluminum? Suddenly all American manufacturing and construction that uses steel was faced with higher prices.

    This site points to the steel tariffs costing Americans $51 Billion:

    https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-total-cost-of-tariffs/

    Putting tariffs on all the products we buy from other countries would be catastrophic.
     
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    just ask democrat politicians for welfare and food stamps. They're great at big government, and want everyone to rely on them anyways.

    you can't sell something that you don't own.
     
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    many democrat politicians and even some republican politicians as well, should be arrested for all of the legalities of covid.

    but why fauccet isn't in prison only shows how corrupt liberal democrat politicians are.
     
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    common sense tariffs would raise the cost of any goods coming into America. Thus giving American made products a lot more of a fighting change, to be competitive cost wise, against foreign made products.

    translation: more people would buy American made products, thus the demand for domestic made products in America would go up.
    Then more factories would open, more jobs would be created.

    That is how our economy could get stronger. Keeping the money in America.
     
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    there are always ganna be people, that blindly follow their party, even if owe say the vice president(joe biden then), jokes around publicly about pay for play, and keeping billions of dollars from a country, if they don't fire the investigator of hunter, his son, for doing illegal acts., whilst joe was in on it.

    Literally, democrat politicians could come out, and give proof that they're screwing Americans over, they could mock Americans for being so stupid for still voting for them, and democrat voters, many of them, would still vote for them.

    they could admit to raping little girls on sex island, and they would still get millions of votes.
     
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    ya lost me on the end there. But I don't see, if you honestly believe everything before that, why you wouldn't wish to look into it more, about the wuhan chinese virus being created there?

    then again, deomcrat politicians says china good, so I'm guessing their voters will blindly follow that no matter even if china came out and admitted they had intentionally created the virus. lol
     
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    Tariffs would raise the cost of what YOU buy IN America.

    Plus, it would cause the countries we trade with to raise THEIR tariffs against US product.

    As we saw with steel, that would seriously impact American manufacturing, as our manufacturing corporations sell a significant percent of their product overseas.

    Boeing, for example, sells way more planes to other countries than they do to the USA. Tariffs would cause Airbus and China to move in.

    I think you are just missing the fact that we have a GLOBAL economy, whether that sounds good to you or not. It's simply a fact. And, what it means to the USA is that we have a HUGE market for our product (since we are only about 4% of the world population). It also means that we have a higher standard of living BECAUSE we can get products made around the world.

    As we are 4% of the world, cutting ourselves off from the global market is the most STUPID move we could POSSIBLY make.
     
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    Our economy is guided by free market enterprise.

    The more roadblocks (such as tariffs) you choose to add, the WORSE OFF we are.

    In fact, tariffs would mean that corporations who sell a meaningful percent of their product overseas would need to move that manufacturing OUT of the USA so as not to be vulnerable to the tariffs you propose and the tariffs that other countries would automatically apply to our own goods.
     
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    I'm HIGHLY in favor of looking into it more.

    In fact, imho, we need a permeant relationship between our scientists and those at the Wuhan lab, probably with a local presence, because Wuhan has the experts in the thousands of SARS viruses in bats, pangolins and other animals, and information on how those viruses move into the human population - something that is known to have happened multiple times.

    Wuhan district is a likely source of future outbreaks of SARS related viruses in humans.

    Unfortunately, Trump highly politicized the idea that COVID is the "fault" of China and otherwise burned our bridges with a country that was already disposed to being highly insular.

    We have to stop being stupid. We do NOT know that the virus was engineered. In fact, China's economy has been hard hit by COVID and the very idea they wanted that is ridiculous.

    We DO know that SARS has spread to humans on multiple occasions from animal populations at times and in ways that could not possibly have anything to do with their labs.

    OUR objectives and CHINA's objectives with SARS are aligned. We should be working to take advantage of that.
     
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    what is democracy to you, and how does it relate to the Democrat American Party? Because Democrat Politicians in America, don't want Democracy at all.
     
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    Democrat Politicians bow down before their communist dictator leaders of China, whom they want to be like, and take orders from, and democrat politicians are the lacking stock of the nations.

    joe is brain dead, and isn't fully functioning. he is only in office because of his name. That is it. Other than that, other nations, and most Americans know that he is a joke.
     
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    No, that's just plain ridiculous.

    We are a democratic republic. The Democratic party is very much in favor of representation by all, as that is what makes our system work.

    Plus, you can NOT ignore that on Jan 6 we saw the violent insurrection by the Republican party, to end our democracy. That insurrection included elected Republican officials who were not only involved in inciting it, but were actually in the mob, taking part in the violent assault.

    Also, states with a Republican majority in leadership have passed LAWS that say that the results of elections may be discarded by those leaders.
     
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    No what you were seeing was a two party collaboration of a poorly fudged together "planned" and "scripted" faux insurrection knock-off that took advantage of the crowd who were there in earnest to protest the corruption of a pseudo government in action.

    PS:
    I've witnessed more violence at my granddaughters birthday party as the kids were having fun in the bounce house.
     
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    First of all, no. That was a Republican operation. The elected officials that took part were Republicans. Those that inspired it were Republicans. Those who called for the death of the VP were Republicans.

    Second, anyone who takes part in ANY way in a violent attacks against our democracy is a traitor and should be treated as such.
     

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