Did President Biden blowup the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

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  1. Quantum Nerd

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    This silly thread (which should be in the conspiracy theory forum) is really puzzling. I realize that the typical Biden haters always assume the worst in Biden, but what reason(s) would Biden have to blow up the pipeline in an undercover mission? The pipeline isn't even in current use, so the attack won't change the immediate status of the European gas supply. I can't think of ANY upside for such an action, only downsides. Do you REALLY think that Biden blew up the pipeline because he is just plain evil? If so, why didn't he blow it up at the start of the Ukraine war? So, please, Trump supporters, give me ONE credible reason of why Biden would do this, and ONE piece of evidence that the US is behind this. I am not asking much from the conspiracy theorists.
     
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    I agree with you. It would be a totally irrational act for Biden to sabotage the pipeline. However some party did sabotage it. So who has an interest, and the capability, to do that kind of damage?
     
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    [QUOTE="Quantum Nerd, post: 1073755034, member: 67146"]This silly thread (which should be in the conspiracy theory forum) is really puzzling. I realize that the typical Biden haters always assume the worst in Biden, but what reason(s) would Biden have to blow up the pipeline in an undercover mission? The pipeline isn't even in current use, so the attack won't change the immediate status of the European gas supply. I can't think of ANY upside for such an action, only downsides. Do you REALLY think that Biden blew up the pipeline because he is just plain evil? If so, why didn't he blow it up at the start of the Ukraine war? So, please, Trump supporters, give me ONE credible reason of why Biden would do this, and ONE piece of evidence that the US is behind this. I am not asking much from the conspiracy theorists.[/QUOTE]
    Conspiracy theorists don't say "We will bring it to an end"

    Because Biden is the ONLY one to make any sort of statement like this... in public... feel free to show us any other leader even coming close to saying this..

    Here is your ""ONE piece of evidence that the US is behind this."" It may not mean anything to you... but I would think Putin would have a different view.
     
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    I would hate to think we have a leader that is making discissions with dementia ...... but we are there.... we know we are there and the world knows we are there... China and Pootin are not playing games...

    We have been warned...
     
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    It is 250 to 350 feet down.. encased in cement..so they have to blow up the concrete to get to the pipeline itself.. 250 is to deep for most recreational dives.... The pressure in both the pipeline is needed for the underwater pressure structure integrity ... The Nord Stream 1 was online and was functional, Nord stream 2 was not operating but pressurized. Nord Stream 2 was hit first and then 16 hours and 100 miles away from the first one, Nord Stream 1 was blown up... So they conclude it could only point to sabotage......... it is a civilian target owed by the Russian oligarchs in international waters.
     
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    Really. My logic is failing.
    I have serious doubts you would recognize logic if it slapped you in the face. Logic says that a statement by Biden that mentioned an object (the pipeline) on Feb 7, 2022 would be gotten rid of if Russia invaded Ukraine and Germany's Chancellor Scholz suspended certification of Nord Stream 2 on 22 February 2022 in consequence of Russia's recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics and the deployment of troops in territory held by the DPR and LPR would be "getting rid of it".
    But that doesn't work for you does it.
     
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    And the consequences of those "mistakes" are what today? I'll help......none
    Why? All the oil that was going to go through it (which would have been years from now) is still getting where the pipeline would take it only it's by trucks and rail. Again, the result of your complaint is nothing.
    Why? No one was drilling there nor was anyone GOING to drill there. It's too expensive. End result....zero consequence.
    And what change was that? Seriously, what change was made?
    Prove that it resulted in any inflation. With actual facts. Good luck.
    What does that have to do with inflation? Go ahead and make your point.
    Sure, you could make a longer list but it would be as worthless as what you came up with off the top of your head.
     
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    And hit with harder sactions after the invasion on Feb. 24
    First, there is no advantage to the US to do it.....that's why we didn't. The advantage to Russia would be to cut off Germany/Europe from heating gas at the onset of winter and make them come begging and to leverage that to back off on helping Ukraine.....not to mention the gas that went from the pipeline to Ukraine.
     
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    Again, critical thinking is not showing up here.
    How about during a pandemic with a natural disaster looming, getting a free vaccination SHOULD be important so as (like he said) to not make a bad situation worse.
     
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    Glad you came around to agree.


    Bet you didn't know she was dead either.
     
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    Of course, if you're going to make up crap as to what he said and did......anyone can do that.
    But they (like you) would still be wrong.
     
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    Sanctions don't make something that already exists go away. Sanctions would have been helpful to prevent the pipeline from being completed. But, Biden approved all of Putin's energy needs while shutting ours down domestically as soon as he was sworn in.
     
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    Conspiracy theorists don't say "We will bring it to an end"

    Because Biden is the ONLY one to make any sort of statement like this... in public... feel free to show us any other leader even coming close to saying this..

    Here is your ""ONE piece of evidence that the US is behind this."" It may not mean anything to you... but I would think Putin would have a different view.
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    At about 5 minutes in Ted Cruz asks Biden officials point blank if we blew up the Nord Steams. They dodged the question and refused to say whether or not we did it likely due to being under oath.
     
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    Innocent until proven guilty.

    Biden admin should be #1 suspect for any objective investigation, since they basically said they were going to do it, and then it happened.
     
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    Just wait. This will be another “Obama’s birth certificate”
     
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    Only the really really ridiculous bits. That whole program was the best self own. First he claimed men are losing masculinity -him with his cutsie bow tie, then he embeds that claim in a “special” that was gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide then he wrapped it in a ridiculous claim about testicle tanning
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    And people STILL think he doesn’t talk ****
     
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    Russia?


    Neither pipeline was in use, Europe already was shutting down use of Russian energy. PR move for Putin to get sympathy from his drunk Russians?

    Sep 2, 2022 — BRUSSELS — Russian energy giant Gazprom announced Friday that it won't reopen the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline
     
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    LMAOROG


    Tucker Carlson’s shoddy case linking U.S. to alleged Nord Stream sabotage

    " President Biden in February: Biden had said that, if Russia invades Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”

    .. (At the time, construction of the pipeline had been completed, but it was not operational and was awaiting approval from Germany and the European Union; a few weeks later, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Berlin would stop the pipeline’s certification.)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/28/tucker-carlson-nord-stream/

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    European leaders blame Russian ‘sabotage’ after Nord Stream explosions

    European leaders said Tuesday they believed dual explosions that damaged pipelines built to carry Russian natural gas to Europe were deliberate, and some officials blamed the Kremlin, suggesting the blasts were intended as a threat to the continent.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-pipelines-damage-russia/

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    September 2, 2022

    Russia’s Gazprom says it won’t reopen Nord Stream gas pipeline to Europe as planned

    Gazprom shut down the pipeline, which links Russia and Germany, on Wednesday for what was supposed to be three days of work. But on Friday, just hours after the Group of Seven industrialized nations announced they will impose a price cap on Russian oil, the company said that an oil leak had been discovered at a compressor station and the pipeline would not reopen after all.


    Germany last month called similar shut-offs a political move by the Kremlin to increase uncertainty as the European Union hits Russia with unprecedented sanctions in response to the war in Ukraine. Friday’s news will deepen fears that Russia will continue to curb — or even cut — gas supply.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...open-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-europe-planned/


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    Oh good, I see you found where Biden admin promised to end the pipeline. Thx! o7
     
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    At about 5 minutes in Ted Cruz asks Biden officials point blank if we blew up the Nord Steams. They dodged the question and refused to say whether or not we did it likely due to being under oath.[/QUOTE]

    Trump has long wanted to kill a Russia-Germany natural gas pipeline. Navalny’s poisoning could do it for him

    Construction on Nord Stream 2 began in 2018, after Germany granted planning permission for its end point in the northeastern German town of Lubmin.
    It did not take long for Trump to express outrage. “Germany is totally controlled by Russia,” he declared during a mid-2018 meeting with NATO top brass. The President tied the matter to his often-stated desire for NATO countries other than the U.S. to step up their defense spending. “So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia, and you pay billions of dollars to Russia, and I think that’s very inappropriate,” he griped.


    https://fortune.com/2020/09/08/trum...al-gas-merkel-navalny-poisoned-nord-stream-2/


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    Germany blames Trump in pursuit of Nord Stream 2 pipeline

    The latest blowup was triggered by a letter sent last week by three Trump-supporting U.S. senators to a Baltic Sea port operator in Chancellor Angela Merkel’s home constituency, threatening the port’s managers with “crushing legal and economic sanctions” if they continue to support the project servicing the Russian ships laying the pipe.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/ger...suit-of-russian-nord-stream-2-pipeline-dream/


    Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
     
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    When it’s up and running, Nord Stream 2 will bring natural gas from Russia to Europe. It is laid alongside Nord Stream 1, which flows from Russia along the Baltic Sea and directly into Germany. Experts said the pipeline will not dramatically increase Russian natural gas imports to Europe, but it could reroute it — meaning more natural gas will flow directly to Germany and potentially bypass other existing pipelines that run through other European countries. Most significantly, Ukraine.

    The United States sees the pipeline as a Russian geopolitical tool to undermine Europe’s energy and national security. Ukraine definitely sees it this way too and wants the pipeline stopped. Once Nord Stream 2 is online, Russia will no longer need to pay transit fees to send gas through Ukraine, and both Russia and Europe have less need to rely on the pipeline that runs through Ukraine.
    https://www.vox.com/22881709/nord-stream-2-russia-ukraine-germany-united-states-cruz
     
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    Brandon still has it, knowing Russia would use Nordstream to endanger Europes energy supply, he was correct
     
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    LMAOROG, You klowns don't really believe that do you?



    Gas prices aren’t high due to shut down US production. Oil production in Biden’s first year is on par with Trump.
    Increased consumer demand, inflation and the war in Ukraine are among the factors in the rising price at the pump, experts say.
    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...on-in-bidens-first-year-is-on-par-with-trump/


    No, gas prices are not high because the US ‘shut down’ oil production

    First, there has not been a shutdown of oil production. The U.S. was producing 11.185 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2021, compared with an average of 11.283 million barrels per day in 2020, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

    The latest data shows that for the week of March 4, 2022, the U.S. is producing 11.6 million barrels per day.


    The U.S. remains the world’s biggest producer of crude oil, said Mark Finley, a fellow in energy and global oil at Rice University in Houston.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2...-because-the-us-shut-down-oil-production.html



    1. Biden never acted to end domestic drilling; he sought the more limited goal of pausing new leases to drill specifically on federal lands.

    2. A court blocked Biden’s executive order.

    3. Even if the court had let Biden’s leasing pause stand, oil companies already have a backlog of more than 9,000 approved permits that they are not yet using.


    4. Oil production on federal lands has risen on Biden’s watch.

    5. Under Biden, overall domestic oil production in 2021 came close to a record high.

    6. The number of oil rigs in use domestically has risen steadily on Biden’s watch, following a low point during the coronavirus pandemic.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...den-stop-domestic-oil-drilling-herschel-walk/
     
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