Did President Biden blowup the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fake News spread by Russia. The US has a lot of economic and military power to force countries to obey, your statement "They do whatever Uncle Sam tells them to do, and have for decades" is false - although Russia tries to convince the world it is true:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union–United_States_relations
    If you are not Russian and you believe that "They do whatever Uncle Sam tells them to do, and have for decades", we can congratulate Russians for using very effective propaganda.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    One need not be a conspiracy theorist to understand that the Imposter Biden not only plagiarized as a young law student and has grown into a pathological liar as an adult, like so many previous occupants of the White House and Congress.
     
  3. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why Biden is "Imposter"?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Likely yes. So, is that a collaborative decision that include Joe? Also, hard to know.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Um, ya, investigate. Not sure who can do the investigation that everyone trusts enough for it to matter tho. It wasn't til the last year or so that the truth finally came out about the chemical weapons attacks we tried to use as an excuse to invade Syria were finally demonstrated to have been more than likely launched by the rebels in a false flag against themselves to blame Assad. I say 'the truth came out' somewhat ironically, as pretty much everyone saw the videos the rebels put on social media of them launching the gas... but the first 'independent international team of investigators' found that the physical damage could only have been caused by a vertical drop (suggesting Assad planes) and it wasnt til much later that a internal review revealed they were either grossly incompetent or flat out lying because the physical damage was clearly from artillery launch from the direction of rebel-held territory. But by then Russia had mopped up the Syrian rebels with a bit of help from our military under Trump, so it was all just a blurb 'in the back of the paper' as it were.

    So I say investigate away. But whose gonna do it?
     
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  6. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you are American with American education, you are walking proof President Trump IS A GENIUS!

    Americans are taught that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven until he or she has been found guilty of the crime by a court, but:

    Trump tried in court to prove the election steal more than 50 times and more than 50 times he lost.

    Attorney General William Barr (nominated by President Trump) didn't find election fraud.

    Vice president Pence didn't find any fraud.

    Trump begged for ½ hour Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to find a ‘winning votes’, but Brad Raffensperger insisted there were no election fraud.

    Christopher Krebs, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency didn't find the election fraud.

    Lt. Gov. Texas Dan Patrick offered a $1 million reward for any information leading to the arrest and conviction of voter fraud. The only person to claim the rewards was Lt. Gov. Fetterman of PA, who offered up two persons, both were Republicans. No one else has claimed the reward.

    President Trump fleeced his believers out of $250 million for funds that he promised will be use for this purpose, but he stopped fighting in courts and keeps these money.

    BUT HE CONVINCED YOU THAT THE ELECTION IS STOLEN!

    GENIUS!!!! FREACKEN GENIUS!
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Since Trump was impeached for his call to Ukraine, arguing that he wasnt asking Ukraine to investigate Biden and Burisma for the benefit of both Ukraine and the US, but instead for his personal benefit in the upcoming election, Biden should be impeached for Ukraine. We now have the receipts. Hunter was paid by Burisma to lobby the US and Ukraine to quash the investigation of Burisma and its owner, and 4 months later Joe told Ukraine, fire the prosecutor or millions in US AID would be denied. Not for the benefit of Ukraine or the US but instead to line the Bidens pockets. Guilty of what they alleged Trump had done without a shred of evidence.
     
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    Trump directed Ukraine to his PERSONAL lawyer who had, on public television, called this desired investigation a PERSONAL matter. There is no evidence that Biden stopped any investigation into Burisma. The CORRUPT prosecutor wasn't even looking into Hunter at the time, and it was the official position of the US and our allies that we wanted that guy gone. Your talent for capturing the reverse image of the truth is astounding.
     
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    Party over country, it's the neo fascist MAGA Republican way.
     
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    ???? The prosecutor who was investigating Burisma was fired at Joes direction and his replacement stopped the investigation.
     
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    According to Ukraine, the prosecutor wasn't even looking into Hunter at the time and had shelved the investigation into Burisma. And, again, everyone in the west wanted this corrupt guy fired.
     
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    Very much debunked. Which is part of why you refuse to actually reference the affidavits.
     
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    Congress, both Rs and Ds, were is total sync that the prosecutor was corrupt along with the leader of Ukraine, a Putin puppet. It was bipartisan.
     
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    Lol...you're asking the impossible. They have an agenda to flog, no matter how lunatic.
    But it is embarrassing.
     
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    Lol...if it catches on, then maga devotees could display their orange balls instead of the qanon finger at rallies.
     
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  16. Hey Now

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    I seriously hope it does not catch on!
     
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    Hmm, I guess crazy going to be crazy.
     
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    BZZ

    A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

    But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.


    Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/media/fact-check-biden-ukraine-burisma-china-hunter.html

    NO PAYWALL LINK'
    https://archive.ph/M9CvM

    ...Under the new regime, Shokin became prosecutor general in early 2015. But he failed “to indict any major figures from the Yanukovych administration for corruption,” according to testimony that John E. Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine under President George W. Bush, gave in March 2016 to a subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    “Ukraine has had a long line of prosecutors whose function has not been to enforce the law, but to perform the political function of selectively prosecuting political enemies and to hold out the threat of prosecution in order to secure political loyalty and compliance. Shokin was precisely that kind of prosecutor,” Keith Darden, an associate professor at American University’s School of International Service, told us in an email for a story last year. “He would open cases as a way of holding the threat of prosecution over a business, but he did not actually prosecute cases.”


    ...But, as we said, the evidence shows Biden was carrying out U.S. policy, and the United States was not alone in pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin.


    In February 2016, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde threatened to withhold $40 billion unless Ukraine undertook “a substantial new effort” to fight corruption after the country’s economic minister and his team resigned to protest government corruption. That same month, a “reform-minded deputy prosecutor resigned, complaining that his efforts to address government corruption had been consistently stymied by his own prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin,” according to a Jan. 3, 2017, Congressional Research Service report.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/
     
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    Sure they were

    Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

    But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

    It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

    Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/
     
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    A quick guide to Trump’s false claims about Ukraine and the Bidens

    False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son


    In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

    The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee.

    In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3.


    One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son,
    Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ide-trumps-false-claims-about-ukraine-bidens/

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    https://archive.ph/nydBC
     
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    And then there is the real world detailed in Hunters laptop.
    Re Revised Burisma Proposal, Contract and Invoice PDF | PDF | Government | Business (scribd.com)
     
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    If Putin paid any attention to Biden he would never have sent troops into Ukraine.
    More proof that dismissing JRB as a demented fool is very dangerous, and that Putin's intelligence services may not be working for him -- or Russia.
     
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