Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?

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Did Trump or campaign staff collude or try to collude?

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    So let me see if I understand you correctly. You say you have evidence that the Democrats colluded with Russia but you cannot produce any evidence. And you agree that the dossier shows no collusion between the Democrats and the Russians even though you cited the dossier as evidence of collusion

    And you want that collusion investigated even though you claim a candidate colluding with Russia isn't illegal.

    To quote you:

    Being elected to office has always proved to be highly profitable for the Clinton's and since the only collusion with foreign agents and Russia occurred through the DNC and Clinton campaign where are the indictments?

    How are you going to have indictments if the collusion wasn't illegal?
     
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    How did the Democrats collude with Russia in obtaining the dossier. I thought they paid paid Steele to finish the job originally comissioned by the republicans. Or are you claiming that Steele's dealing with the Russian source proves Democratic collusion?
     
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    Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?
    The circumstantial evidence available to the public seems to support the idea of collusion. Mueller & his team will have to make the final determination.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    There was no commission for a dossier by the RNC or Trump campaign. However there was with the DNC and Clinton campaign. Why do you not want that collusion investigated?
     
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    I'm sure you understand perfectly but just choose to be obtuse. I gave you a list of the evidence including the dossier itself.

    So you admit this has all been a witch hunt then.

    To quote you:

    How are you? I'm just asking for parity. IF it is illegal as you claim then parity let's investigate the only collusion for which there is evidence don't you think?
     
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    It was your claim that Hillary colluded and should be indicted. Since we know a sitting President cannot be indicted your pretend equivalency is a joke. And you have yet to post any actual evidence of Hillary colluding with the Russians. And just for laughs how do you think the Steele dossier proves Hillary colluded with the Russians. You do know what collusion means I assume.
     
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    Because of course there was no collusion. In fact I doubt you can even show where the dossier was ever used in Hillary's campaign. Try reading this and then tell us how Hillary was colluding with Russia to influence the campaign. Pay particular attention to when the dossier first became public.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier
     
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    It just appeared on their doorstep?

    No one claimed it was used "in" he campaign it was used "by" her campaign and Rhode whonsupported it after they collided with a foreign agent to get and pay for it.
     
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    Quote where I said Hillary should be indicted? Who paid for the Dossier?
     
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    No it was a commissioned report. An active and successful attempt at obtaining opposition research.
    It was a straight up legal transaction.

    The fact that it had to do with Trump/Russia and used a professional intell/security analyst with expansive expertise on the subject to investigate the rumors of close russian connections with your dear leader sure is suspicious.

    But propaganda 101 does note that "rinse and repeat" bullshit often enough and it becomes some people's truth.
     
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    Yes the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for it through a foreign agent of dirt from Russia and was never verified and even Steele testified he didn't even try to verify it. That it was legal does not change the fact they all colluded together and then of course engaged the services of the FBI and DNC to try and defeat Trump and then after he won to engage in a political coup.
     
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    And you know why Steele testified that he didn't try to verify the info he had gathered? Again you refuse to understand the concept of "raw intelligence".

    There was no collusion with russians at all. An american law firm hired an american consulting company who hired a british former MI6 agent with specific expertise in Russian Intell and mobs to gather any info he could about Trump.

    If that is collusion, then every business transaction on the planet is collusion. Nice try.

    The FBI counter-intell services aren't for the "engaging". They are rather highly skilled pros who don't give a damn about partisan politics, they give a damn about keeping america safe, and that's a fact, jack.

    Trump and the antics of those he had surrounded himself with have provided more than enough "probable cause". But I get how its much better to believe your dear leader is the victim of a vast left wing deep state conspiracy to take him down. How can anyone not love your Cretin in Chief.
     
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    The Deep State is the best part to me. After Trump is in Leavenworth it will remain, the Albatross around the Republican´s neck A set of silly and childish fantasies that would be pathetically funny if not for their overwhelming resemblance to Stalinist ¨revisionism¨ stories that killed so many in the 1950ś Soviet Union.

    By 2022 there won´t be ANY Republican Party, not as a real thing anyway. It will be a distant and despised memory. Something our children just won´t believe people were actually stupid enough to believe in.
     
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    Here is your post. If your memory is faulty it was #9.

    " and since the only collusion with foreign agents and Russia occurred through the DNC and Clinton campaign where are the indictments? "
     
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    Sorry but there is absolutly no evidence that it was used in the Hillary campaign. And you have so far failed to demonstrate that paying Steele for the dossier was collusion between Hillary and the Russians.

    collusion

    noun
    Collusion is secret or illegal cooperation, especially between countries or organizations.
     
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    Where did it come from who paid for it and where was it used?
     
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    Where did I say Hillary?
     
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    Splitting hairs isn't going to save you. The Hillary campaign is Hillary just like the Trump campaign is Trump.
     
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    Where was it used was what I asked you. So far you have provided no evidence whatsoever that it was used to benefit the Hillary campaign.
     
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    Yes collusion and information presented to a FISA court as verified information.

     
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    It was used in the press and the FISA court. Where did it cone from and who paid for it?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAA! I see you have now pulled out the Black Knight defense.
     
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    I predict that by 2022, Trumpism will be dead and the Republican Party will be champions of "progressive conservatism", advocating for a solid social safety net and a forward looking rational approach to domestic and international policy.

    At least I'm hoping for a "Trump Rebound" effect to return America to its democratic principles and values. More united than divided.
     
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    No just the evidence from the texts, the emails, the memos and the testimonies.
     
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    "Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?"

    What would be the point? Russians cannot vote in the U.S. anyway. If you want to find a scandal check the names of the dead and buried instead
     

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