Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

And more evidence of why we need solid voter ID at the time of registration and at the polling location. We also need to stop third party registration and non-qualified persons from soliciting and submitting registration forms.

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

Election 2016: Late in 2016, we created a stir by suggesting that Donald Trump was likely right when he claimed that millions of noncitizens had illegally voted in the U.S. election. Now, a study by a New Jersey think tank provides new evidence that that's what happened.

Last November, just weeks after his Electoral College win that gave him the presidency, then President-elect Donald Trump tweeted, "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

The reaction was angry and swift, with the left accusing him of being an "internet troll" and of hatching a "Twitter-born conspiracy theory."

At the time, we noted that a group called True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud website, had claimed that illegals had cast three million votes last year. The media and left-wing groups immediately portrayed True The Vote as a fringe group with little credibility.

The only problem is, a study in 2014 in the online Electoral Studies Journal made a quite similar claim: In the 2008 and 2010 elections, they said, as many as 2.8 million illegal noncitizen votes were cast, "enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes and congressional elections," said the study, authored by Jesse T. Richman and Gushan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

The bombshell was this: "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

It got little coverage in the mainstream media, and what coverage it did get was almost entirely dismissive.

Now comes a new study by Just Facts, a libertarian/conservative think tank, that used data from a large Harvard/You.Gov study that every two years samples tens of thousands of voters, including some who admit they are noncitizens and thus can't vote legally.

The findings are eye-opening. In 2008, as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the election. In 2012, as many as 3.6 million voted, the study said.

In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that there were 21.0 million adult noncitizens in the U.S., up from 19.4 million in 2008. It is therefore highly likely that millions of noncitizens cast votes in 2016.

And it was no accident. Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

And last year, the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you.

We don't know the exact number of illegal votes. No one does. But the data that are available suggest that the number of illegal votes was substantial — probably in the millions, as Trump said — and likely had a significant impact on the election's outcome.

Even Democrats should find this troubling; every vote cast by a noncitizen voter negates the vote of a citizen voter. It's that simple. It's time the Democratic Party started living up to its name and stop encouraging noncitizens and illegal aliens to vote in our election.
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mp-the-2016-popular-vote-sure-looks-that-way/

 

Nah. It was Bigfoot and Bat Boy that cost the GOP the NPV.

 

Aw come on. Let Hillary have the popular vote. It's all they cling to

 

Of course there is no NPV to win or lose, just fallacious claims of such which this article refutes that even if it had been one that Trump lost it.

 

There is no evidence of something, until they discover evidence of it.

They claim there is no evidence of Russians changing votes during the election.
Six months ago, we didn't know that Russians changed voters registration and stole data from state voter records.

So unfortunately we may never know if the Russians changed votes or not. Unless they find proof they did.

Personally I think it's more likely Russians changed actual votes, then non-citizens giving Clinton the popular vote.
Clinton winning California by 3 million votes is not going to give her the Presidency.
Trump wining 4 states by combined total of 100,000 votes gives him the electoral college.
Why didn't the illegals vote in the states Clinton needed to win?

 

Here Are The Problems With The Trump Team's Voter Fraud Evidence
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/28/50362...ems-with-the-trump-teams-voter-fraud-evidence

 

Yes.

The whole premise of the OP is complete BS.

And, how many threads does PF need about this?

What is this? The 10th one?

Next.

 

That last question gives the lie to the Trump claim and backs the Clinton claim better than anything I've yet seen. Trump may very well end up hoist on his own petard once this all comes out.