Distributing the refugees

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Distribution of Refugee

  1. Muslim refugees to Muslim countries and none Muslims to Europe and N. America

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  2. Europe and North America should be responsible for all refugees

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Muslim refugees should be send to rich Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Brunie, Bahrain.
    None Muslim refugees send to none Muslim countries such as North America, Europe, Russia, China.

    This type of distribution would help eased Europe and North America's concern of national security the fear and concern of Muslim terrorist infiltrating their country and society.
     
  2. Divergent

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    Perhaps this should have been an option.................;

    All the weak Countries in the UN that took the back seat in hopes Strong America would fix everything and they wouldn't have to be a part of that decision should get some refugee's.

    Decisions are never perfect for anyone or any Country. Once you have some backlash, you tend to learn. Unless you are......:gop:
     
  3. TCassa89

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    In 2010, Europe had 249 documented terrorist attacks or plots, of which only three involved Muslims. In 2011, there were 174 such episodes -- with Muslims accounting for zero.

    https://reason.com/archives/2013/03/07/moderate-muslim-is-not-an-oxymoron


    Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America

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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-mu...0-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

    An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html

    Less Than 2 Percent Of Terrorist Attacks In The E.U. Are Religiously Motivated

    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/08/3609796/islamist-terrorism-europe/

    NY Times: Right-Wing Terrorists kill more people in US than Muslim extremists

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...kill-more-people-in-US-than-Muslim-extremists


    Mass shootings kill far more than Muslim American terrorism – research


    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-muslim-terrorism-research-353/

    You’re 55 Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/youre-...-by-a-police-officer-than-a-terrorist/5434934

    Right-wing terrorists twice as likely to kill Americans than Muslim jihadists are ‒ report

    https://www.rt.com/usa/269506-american-terroist-attacks-study/
     
  4. TCassa89

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    This can be a way to deal with such a sensitive matter, but it would mean to change the laws of many Western countries related to the right of asylum for refugees escaping from war zones. There is a shortcut: to do what Hungarian is doing, the introduction of the crime of clandestine immigration [it has been introduced also in Italy for some years by the conservative government]. This could allow the authorities to select incoming immigrants and who would decide to enter your country without permission will be put in jail and send back to the country of origin or an other country [in case of persons escaping from war].

    In any case numbers don't make it that feasible: rich Muslim countries don't want that mass of refugees [malicious thought would be that the Muslim establishments are using a kind of "demographic weapon" against the West].
     
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    True, and I appreciate the effort of Turkey, but this doesn't explain why in Saudi Arabia they are doing nothing ... It was obvious that sooner or later a part of that incredible quantity of refugees would have reached Europe.
     
  7. Jackster

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    Bill Maher made a good point, the answer to the refugee problem can NOT be to empty out all the moderates from the Middle East and Africa.

    Isnt this what the UN is for, for nations together to uphold international law and basic human rights? They should be leading the charge to execute, destroy any dictator or group that even threatens those rights of citizens.

    So the answer is distribute none! The UN should be arranging temporary accommodation in their homelands while bullets get placed between the eyes of barbarians
     
  8. TCassa89

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    It is reasonable to say Saudi Arabia should do more, but lets not act like 95% of the refugees aren't being taken in by fellow Muslim countries. The US is taking in at least 10,000 of the refugees, during the late 1930s we took in more than 85,000 Jewish refugees

    The notion that these refugees are being dumped on us is a farce, the real issue here is other nations closing the gates to these people (as you mentioned, Saudi Arabia is an offender), if we reject to take any of these people, then we're a part of the problem. We can't just shun other countries for turning their backs on these people, and then do the same
     
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    Most of them arent being taken in permanently in those Arab countries, they're in massive tent cities.
     
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    No matter how you choose to slice it, less than 10% of the refugees are in western non-Muslim countries, most of the 100,000 refugees in Germany are not likely to stay either. There are over 4 million refugees overall
     
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    Well, before than Frau Merkel opened Germany to the refugees [with the additional offer of asylum by Scandinavian countries] Italy and Greece were asking for a redistribution of the refugees [as it's easy to understand from a geographical map, our two countries have been facing the main waves of escaping refugees and migrants] and EU countries substantially ignored the problem. Just in the last days UK is saying it will accept a part of the refugees, but not that many ...
     
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    Those numbers are wrong, it was predicted that around 800,000 migrants will arrive in Germany this year, and over a million when counting Europe as a whole. So it is much more than 10%. Hungary alone has over hundred thousand registered migrants. They arent really running for their lives, they are attracted into EU by German open borders policy and vision of material wealth. Well, if Germany is dumb enough to invite them in, then let them have it. I just hope Visegrad group will not follow with this madness. If we will admit refugees, then it must be done in a controlled manner directly from refugee camps in middle east, and in limited numbers, not this anarchy we have now. And you are naive if you think most will ever want to return to Syria.
     
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    correction, over 100,000 have ARRIVED in Hungary, but they're not staying there.. most of the refugees in Germany (Germany has more refugees than any other European country) were former arrivals in Hungary first. As for the predicted number of 800,000 arrivals in Germany (again, arrivals include both the people who stay and the people who have already passed through into neighboring countries), that may very well be, as the number of refugees overall increases, but you're not taking into account the increase in refugees that the eastern countries are expected to see too.. as is Turkey alone has more refugees than all of Europe combined.. as does Lebanon... as does Jordan

    I don't mean these countries combined have more refugees than Europe, I mean these three countries EACH have more refugees than all of Europe combined. If the European countries see an increase in refugees while the middle eastern countries see no increase.. then yeah, the number of refugees in the west will be greater than 10% overall.. but as is fewer than 10% of all the Syrian refugees are in Europe

    and that's just the number of registered refugees, if you include unregistered refugees, the percentage in Europe gets even smaller
     
  14. WanRen

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    IMO the problem is that those rich Muslim countries are not participating or not willing to take Muslim or none Muslim refugees and it would seems the UN and the West is powerless to force them to be pro active that is why we see a flood of refugees all heading to the West.

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    But after 9/11 the threat from Islamic terrorist has increased.
    It is politically easier to persecute none Muslim terrorist than it is to persecute Muslim terrorist on home land.
     
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    I would agree specially the demographic weapon and unless the West start to realized this or stop being so naive the West should adapt selective admittance and if other Muslim countries refused to accept Muslim refugees then the onus is on them not on the West.
     
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    The US tried to do that with Iraq and Afghanistan a full military invasion a full regime change policed with thousands of US military personal but the problem is lack of local talents, cooperation from allied nations and the UN. For it to work the USA or the West have to take active politically, militarily, socially and economically.
    It will work if we go back to WWII era what changed Germany, Japan and Italy after their defeat it was a full active intervention and implementation of change imposed by the Allied forces.
     
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    Arm the refugees and ship them home to fight for THEIR countries. If any volunteer(s) want to train them on their soil then have at it.
     
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    Correction, over 100,000 (more like 160,000 now) have registered in Hungary. The number of those who have arrived in Hungary but did not register is several times that figure, although it is true that most of them do move on to Germany. As I said, the total number of migrants (refugees or not) coming into Europe will be up to a million. That is not 10%, that is more like 20+%. Which is more than enough, considering that this conflict is not even adjacent to European borders. After all, genuine refugees are supposed to seek asylum in first safe country. Not 5th - 6th safe country, that is just country shopping. Right now, what we need to do is to close and secure the Schengen border. When order is reestablished, then we can talk about admitting further refugees, but in a controlled manner, not this anarchy. Current situation is a godsend for human traffickers, economic migrants posing as refugees, and extremists sneaking into Europe.
     
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    easier said than done when all the other countries are closing the gates to them.. and it's no wonder some countries would when the number of refugees they have taken in are already in the millions (none of these countries are European). Again, we can't just shun other countries for not taking these people in, and then turn around and do the same.. and again, most the the refugees that were in Hungary are already in Germany..being registered refugees does not contradict being arrivals.. I even said the numbers are only including the registered refugees, when you include non-registered refugees the overall percentage that are in Europe is even lower

    individual countries in the middle east are taking in more refugees than all of Europe combined

    literally all of those studies include post 9/11 statistics
     
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    Map of Syrian refugees per capita:

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    Yep it would be a massive task, and look at all the effort put into getting Iraq back on its feet. All that time and resources only for them to basically drop weapons and run when faced with being confrontation by fundamental Muslims. But what choice is there, as really Maher is right - the answer cant be emptying out all the moderates. It should be noted Islamic countries make a huge block voting in the UN so its should be the ideal body to take care of this, its their mandate for crying out loud - yet they do nothing other than brow bashing nations about taking refugees. They should step up or disappear - atm they're completely useless. I personally dont like them anyway - would much rather a European/West union.
     
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    That is why those refugees need to be process. And if those rich Muslim nations refused to take active part the West need to make a hard stance just like history has shown the only solution is direct and full intervention to secure their nation.

    By pushing all these Muslim problems to the West is a tactic of its own against the West....dam if we get involved, dam if we don't.

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    Germany has already change their policy from open borders to as many refugees to controlled acceptance. And still none of the rich Muslim countries has step forward.
     
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    Terrorists are not the problem here c' non... i know that incidents like that of charlie hebdo are sad and tvs showing some decapitation here and there is frightful but we are still much more likely to die for a car incident than to die by the hands of a terrorist. The problem is purely economical, it's any news we are not that full of money at this moment, to the point we can say welcome to everyone and give them a decent job and a house.
     
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    its easy to shrink a number down to 10% when you can just blame it on workplace violence.
     
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    Hmmm, I did not vote the answer is actually somewhere in the middle.
     

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