Do Future Generations Deserve to Suffer?

I have always gone on instinct. I look around, get a sense of where things are heading and make life decisions accordingly. It has worked for me. I look around now and see where we are heading and I am just hoping things cruise along as is for a few more years. After that it can all go to hell in a hand basket as far as I am concerned. I will be retired and out of the game, perhaps even out of the country.

Anywho, what I do see is a bunch of younger folks clamoring for socialism. Most folks know it has not worked and likely will not work. Those who want it will likely suffer under socialism if it comes to pass. I do not worry too much about it because the folks supporting this nonsense will most likely be the ones who suffer.

The way it would unfold, as I see it, is the free stuff would be good for a while but eventually the money to support it will run out. If I could ride that wave it would be sweet! But then the following generations would suffer. Should I care?

That is the question I ask. Why should I care if the very generation that votes in their own misery suffers as a result? I am glad President Trump was able to get elected. One reason is he is postponing the push for socialism. Another reason is he is showing how capitalism can work to make lives better. I figure if younger folks see the economic boom and still opt for socialism then they deserve the coming misery.

 

The ignorant and myopic world view of the right, with their selfish I, me, mine mentality, guarantees that future generation will have to suffer more. Your gloating about it is typical.

 

It is the Left who are the most self centered as they feel entitled to take money from others to give to others. They are the ones who demand living wages and other freebees. The Right expects to benefit from the fruits of their labor.

 

Me thinks you enjoy the thought of future generations suffering. Why else would you support policies that give you free money right now by government stimulus (err unpaid for tax cuts), which the future generations will have as a burden through increased debt service payments? Second, those reckless borrow and spend policies almost guarantee a severe next recession, at which time the government will be unable to stimulate the economy, because the GOP has spent it all during good times.

I am also curious as to how you plan on financing your upcoming retirement. Do you bank on guaranteed monthly payments from SS, and Medicare to cover your medical bills?

 

One reaps what one sows.

 

Clinton really nailed these people when he said that the cons' world view is that 'you are on your own' and the dems' world view is that 'we're in this together'.
Fear and selfishness prevents them from really understanding what that means so they whine about the undeserving getting free handouts.
And they call themselves Christian to boot. What a hoot.

Matthew 20:1-16 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

 

It is interesting that in the times of Jesus, land ownership was in the hands of a very few, leaving the peasants with no land and no means to support themselves, except for begging for jobs on the market as day workers. What little wealth was left over was taken by the Romans. That's the situation the parable is referring to.

Sounds vaguely familiar with today's situation of the few owning the vast majority of the capital. In fairness, unlike in those times, people are not starving in today's America, but they would be if the capitalists and the OP would have their way and eliminated all social security programs.

 

You say you are interested in economics. I suggest that you read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, and in particular his chapter on the "invisible hand." It requires some reading comprehension skills as well as thoughtful thinking relating to the period of time Smith wrote, the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

That should bring you closer to being up to date.

Today, when businesses are taxed to pay for free crap and entitlements, those business expenses are typically passed on to the consumer. Eventually, the consumers will want free crap themselves instead of working hard to pay for it.

Steve

 

Gee, you Trumpsters don't seem to notice that Trump's tarriffs represent business expenses that are typically passed on to the comsumer, expenses that lower the consumer's buying power and put him at an standard of living disadvantage to his peers in other countries

 

You also will note that they always try and falsely portray the discussion as an either/or fallacy.

It's either the "free market", or total socialism.

Instead, we have many models where socialistic ideas like universal single payer health care wound up benefitting everyone, univesal public education,and goverment control of basic functions.

 

The Wall Street Journal reports that US consumer spending has dramatically increased since the tariffs went into effect. In fact spending and retail sales out performed estimated growth by 500%. I'd guess the low unemployment rate explains the retail surge despite whatever inflation the tariffs have yielded.

 

Calling me a "Trumpster" is NOT AN ARGUMENT!

Try avoiding the lying liberal media's brainwashing. Trump is using tariffs to make better trade deals for the American worker's benefits, more jobs and higher wages.

The U.S. is the LARGEST CONSUMER COUNTRY on the planet. That means other countries DEPEND on U.S. citizens buying their own goods.

There are 95 MILLION U.S. citizens no longer counted as employed or unemployed. Eventually, the U.S. won't be the largest consumer country on the planet and other countries will lose their buyers as well.

FAIR TRADE is a two-way street.

Get a GRIP ON REALITY!

Steve

 

What you see is the near-sighted self-serving immature adults of the last few generations selling out the future for the right now freebie - easy way of life..... somebody else will do, somebody else will pay, and they know this personal responsibility crap is just a way to keep them from getting what they are entitled to, because after all they are breathing.

True justice would be to let them reap what they sow; except that the rest of society would suffer because of it.

Nothing is free, at best that is a temporary illusion that diverts the cost to other people. The somebody that has to pay is always, in the end- US. There is nobody else.

 

I wish you all felt the same way about the environment we will leave future generations.

 

Future generations are already destined to suffer. We've left them with a $21 trillion debt, which is still growing. Liberals are mostly responsible for that debt, but conservatives also played a role.

It's like we went on a lavish vacation around the world and left the credit card bill for our grandchildren.

 

If you're truly honest about that, then wouldn't you be yelling at China and other third world countries that are far bigger polluters than the U.S.?

Steve

 

Wow what a sense of entitlement. Your theory works if we have cleaned up our own mess before we die off. The U.S. federal budget deficit for fiscal year 2018 is $352 billion. FY 2018 covers October 1, 2017 through September 30, 2018. The deficit occurs because the U.S. government spending of $4.268 trillion is higher than its revenue of $3.916 trillion. (Source: 2018 Budget.) If we managed to pay that down and make a hefty dent in repairing the bridges, highways, roads, replacing the corroded piping in our sewage systems, water supply systems, redredging our seaports and etc. Its not like we have always been this negligent. We have allowed our spending levels to fall to their lowest level since 1947.

As for the states, here's is just a few examples , they are leaving the 'young socialists
#1, Rhode Island
Debt 2009: $9.2 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $290 million
GDP 2009: $47.8 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 19.19%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $4.4 billion (39%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $788 million (100%)
#4, Illinois
Debt 2009: $57.0 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $15.0 billion
GDP 2009: $630.4 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 9.04%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $54.4 billion (46%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $39.9 billion (100%)
#8, Indiana
Debt 2009: $23.7 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $270 million
GDP 2009: $262.6 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 9.03%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $9.8 billion (28%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $442 million (100%)
#13, South Carolina
Debt 2009: $15.3 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $877 million
GDP 2009: $159.6 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 9.59%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $12.1 billion (30%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $8.6 billion (98%)

Cities that are bankrupthttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/municipal-cities-counties-bankruptcies-and-defaults.html "
The majority of filings have not been submitted by bankrupt cities, but rather lesser-known public authorities and other narrowly-defined special districts throughout the country. In Omaha, Neb., more than a dozen sanitary districts have filed for bankruptcy, accounting for nearly a quarter of all Chapter 9 filings since 2010.It's also important to note that only about half of states maintain laws authorizing municipal bankruptcy. "

Face it, our generation has been completely selfish and irresponsible. We took the money, spent it all and left the credit card bill sitting on the table, and now we act entitled to walk away and let it sit there in a house we left in dilapidated condition. The United states is leaving the equivalent of a Crack House to our kids and pretending they are screwing up because they are not mowing the lawn in front.

 

No one deserves to suffer.

 

So apparently you are against placing tariffs on foreign-made goods because they increase the cost to consumers, but you support high taxes on U.S. businesses?

 

Your generation deserves a huge amount of blame for the current situation. You inherited a country in its prime and did little to actually conserve anything. You sought comfort and material possessions and let the left flood our country with non-American, non white socialists. Now that you’ve got yours, you will flee the country and let future generations suffer in the conditions you helped create.

You should have been marching in the streets in the 60s, 70s, and 80s demanding that the US remain a majority white, majority Christian country, to conserve the conditions that you were lucky enough to inherit and benefit from, thanks to previous generations. You didn’t do that.

 

If the commies ever regain a semblance of the power they once held, this country is not worth saving,

or funding.

 

I'm not sure what relevance you thought your Bible quote has, but

...sounds like a repudiation of socialism to me.

 

That is funny since you just showed the poster exactly what he said. The RW is only about me, myself, and I. You proved that so eloquently.

 

Yup, and then there is the squandering of natural resources. The US has about twice the per capita energy consumption compared to the rest of the developed world, mostly based on non-renewable resources. That's a nice future we leave our grandchildren, in which we have recklessly used up the oil, leaving them to fight for finding alternatives.

 

Says the side who just wants more free stuff.