Do white people benefit the most from gun-control?

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  1. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA and waiting and waiting and waiting.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    The first fight you are in can be overwhelming for most. The second far less so. The more experience you have, the more you remain calm. There is cross over from other types fighting. If you've never been hit in a fist fight you will experience the same flood of adrenaline... all the reading about fighting techniques will be gone the first time you are hit. The first time you are face with that life or death instance in a gun fight all the book learning is gone and all the holes you put in paper matter little. If you have been in hand to hand fights, the adrenaline flood will be mitigated a bit in a gun fight, but alll those things you thought you'd do in each situation... still gone.
    I still remember the first time I Sky dived. That first time was like no other... never had that feeling again sky diving, but near the same feeling happened when I stepped of the cliff for the first time at Torrey Pines for a solo hanglider flight, but it wasn't as intense. It was mitigated because I had a pilot license, had flown a bit a Ft. Ord, and when flying private planes I had two scary incidences. Still, stepping off a cliff isn't natural. After the first few flights, I looked forward to the day's first launch.
    So, I would agree it is an acquired thing. I haven't flown for several years, but I don't figure stepping off would be a significant addrenaline moment, probably more flood of excitement... I miss it.
    Many people often assume combat training is about gaining the proverbial muscle memory, but I suggest, training under pressure helps that conditioning of the mind you identify, an ability to mitigate the effects of adrenaline under pressure. While I am certain you will do better if you do considerable combat training under pressure in preparation a real fight, any activity, competition, that will place you repeatedly in stress situations can help your performance in a fight. But, I do think force on force traning with simunition where you are getting shot at, and have elements of unpredictability forcing you to think and adapt under pressure can provide a remote sense of the real thing, and ultimatly might give you that edge in overcoming your own body's involuntary response. It might just be the edge you need when facing someone, untrained, going through the same thing. Most of the old gunfighters all seemed to credit staying calm in a fight as their edge...not speed. That and the will to win.

    Just as an aside, I remember a video from a dash cam from a decade or so ago, of an incident during a vehicle stop where an officer exiting his vehicle had to respond to a bad guy that pulled a gun. Both emptied their weapons from distances of about 5-10 yards, completely missing each other. 25-30 shots fired if my memory serves. I thought it was in Ohio, sticks in my mind, somewhere but couldn't find the video. Perhaps a poster from Ohio might remember the incident and know enough details to find the video. I remember watching it several times, seeing what I perceived as indications of adrenaline flooding in both shooters.

    Btw, when I was young, about 7 or 8, I had an uncle that asked me if I had yet been in a fight. I said no. He asked if the thought scared me... I said yes. He popped me with his fist, knocking me down. It surprised me and hurt like hell. Then he said, you have been hit, you are still alive, now get up and hit me back. My Da walked in and asked what was going on... my uncle said traning for life.... my Da said, I see, and left the room. Do that now day's and you'd be jailed for abuse. The lesson did settle into my core.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Yep... the waiting says something, but an answer would say a great deal more of what we expect.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In all seriousness if VG ever backed up what he said and defended it, a serious discussion could ensue but I ain't holding my breath. You only have to be burned 6 or 7 thousand times to learn that waiting is all you'll do.
     
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    that's really silly, My wife is a chef by training. She is also a Class B USPSA shooter and several times ladies state champion in other shooting sports. Guess what-that Chef outshoots most of the cops in Ohio. A friend of mine is a newspaper photographer Let me guess-you don't think he is as good a shot as a cop. He's a USPSA grand master (limited division). In other words, its really stupid to pretend that because someone might be a teacher, a chef, a retired DOJ attorney, a ballet instructor, a camel proctologist or a used tire vendor, that they cannot be competent in a gun fight.
     
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    That reminds me of a huge bully that offered to beat up a slim feminine looking guy he called a "Fairy" and the guy got all Chuck Norris on that Bully and wiped the floor with him, and he bent down and said:
    "When you tell the story, dont forget to tell them, a Fairy beat you up !"

    I witnessed that incident personally, I will never forget it !!!!--
     
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    another falsehood. I have more training than any 20 cops you are likely to run into

    In 1989 (when I was commissioned to do a study) the 984 officers of the Cincinnati Police Department shot 148,000 rounds of ammo. Since CPD officers could get department issued ammo without paying for it, it was doubtful that many were buying ammo on their own, about 50K of those rounds were expended by the several training officers and cadets at the academy. so the 980 officers shot about 100K rounds. that is less than 130 rounds an officer and they were required to qualify twice a year at 50 rounds each. Now that year I was a "Class A" USPSA shooter shooting a single stack iron sighted Wilson LE Accucomp handgun in then obsolete 45 ACP (38 Super was what most of the guys beating me shot). That year I shot over 50K of 45 rounds. When I testified at City council about some gun ban scheme, the anti gun chief of police told the Firearms instructor to try to contradict me. He told the chief-in open council "I cannot, he's so much better than any shooter on our department--he'd embarrass me in any sort of contest. and because he's a city (another city) prosecutor, he knows the law better than any of us" I was a CONTRACT attorney for that city meaning I worked for a big law firm that had hired my firm to serve as their solicitors.

    IN 1990 I jointed the "feds", IN 93, the new head of our office wanted us to get to know the FBI and DEA agents better so he arranged a golf outing. I don't play golf and neither did the two top shooters on the FBI regional HRT so they invited me to go shooting with them. The next day the boss calls me into his office and said-where did you learn to shoot like that? He made me the firearms trainer for attorneys getting deputy status so they could carry, One of the agents I was working a case with said the FBI's top shot told him he figured I'd beat just about any pistol shooter this SA had seen in the Bureau. Maybe so. But I also remember getting beat by Jerry Barnhart, Robbie Leatham and Todd Jarrett at one of the big USPSA shoots and thinking the FBI guys ought to see those non-leo shooters perform!
     
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    one of my suitemates in college was the son of a gymnast/ballerina/ He was a "pretty boy" who looked like a 5-8, 135 pound young David Bowie. He was the ivy league champion. He taught ballet too. I was in the gym coaching the table tennis team. He was coming out of the dance studio. Some football player came up behind him and said-hey look at the fairy in the tights. He grabbed the guy in a choke hold. My suite mate snapped his foot up over his shoulder and busted the guy's nose. he then snapped a round house kick up under the guy's eye-stopping before he hit the guy. he started laughing and said-"you need to take my ballet class. then some guy half your size in a leotard won't kick your ass". The football guy -I got him an ice pack was befuddled. I said-dude-that guy benches over 300 pounds and does one handed pull ups for an hour on the chin up bar we have in our suite.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I didn't see this post before I attended the gun show.

    The following are the rules for display reservations from the venue operator
    http://www.gunshow.net/rules.htm

    Included is
    Those rules were displayed at the entrance as well.
     
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    Non LE shooters have always invested way more into training and practice than LE officers of any agency and even exceeded many SWAT and HRT officers.
    Many non LE experts have often assisted FBI in ballistics and other matters sometimes with very impressive results.
     
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