Do you have irreconcilable political differences with your family members?

On most other topics I am more Liberal. This is primarily due to another component of my Identity -- my Disability. I believe in Welfare State. Currently people who can not support themselves suffer terribly.

I oppose the Second Amendment -- it costs 30,000 to 40,000 lives per year. Most people who commit suicide have no capability to make a right decision.

 

Hell, for me too!

 

Where does the “evil” bit come from? Who’s evil?
My opinion is that we choose our politics because we believe that the policies or politicians associated with that party, are the ones who have the correct ideas about what is good for the people and the country.

 

You speak your mind, as is your Constitutional right, so does your political opposite, your old uncle. The rhetoric escalates, your mother cries because the family celebration is ruined and your old uncle never speaks to you again.
What have you achieved? A schism in your family, but by God , you’re within your rights and have spoken your mind.

 

Yes, our motivations are almost always good. THAT'S the point. Attributing some kind of malfeasence or inferiority of mind to it, is cartoonish.

Someone else's road to good doesn't need to be the same as yours to be acceptable, does it? How can it possibly be, when their journey is not your journey? EG if someone is opposed to abortion it's almost certainly because they are troubled by the deaths of innocents (at the hands of free adults, who had multiple alternatives but elected not to employ any of them), not because they want to 'hurt women'. If you choose the latter explanation, that's on you. That's the toxicity we permit ourselves in refusal to consider the different road.

 

In the 21stC it's not the Old Uncles going postal after a couple of shandies. It's the New Intolerants.

 

My immediate family is generally moderate, with one exception. That exception has treated the rest of us like we roasted his dog over an open pit. He is the center point of all we have done wrong, we are hate filled, despicable, and because we don't lock step with him, we are vile and and should rot in hell.

The extended family is a mixture of the entire political spectrum, and not only can we argue, but still slap each other on the back when we are done. Except that one. Who, fortunately, has removed himself from the immediate area. If he were to wander back, I wouldn't care, but he would find fault with that, too....

 

You've said the same thing several times, and having worked with challenged individuals, while the parenting is spotty at times, the families, or at least one parent for some, did not 'abandon' their disabled offspring or siblings.

I truly hope no one has intentionally put that idea in your head, as I believe it false.

 

Yes. The outcomes will be different but the starting point will be what we all believe will be best for everyone.

I don’t think anyone has “evil” as a starting point, except perhaps for Fraser Anning. (just a joke)

 

Not in my family.

 

Thank you for helping people who need help!

Perhaps those abandoned have no resources even to obtain help.

Unfortunately The State of USA has abandoned people who need help.

 

Most people from Russia have a Sixth Sense -- we can psychically detect Totalitarianism and Totalitarians. In 1937, USSR was as intolerant as any modern Liberal University in USA.

 

No thanks necessary, it was a great experience brought about by a neighbor's daughter who was DS, and the wonderful world she opened my eyes to. Then I worked for a group that was specifically for that purpose, all measure of disabilities. Now, our extended family has been blessed with a DS cousin, and she is a beautiful person.

There are inevitably going to be some who fade from sight, but I don't believe the 'USA' has intentionally let those who need assistance be abandoned. 'Help' cannot be forced upon those who do not desire it. If we start looking at that, we might as well bring back the asylums for the sick and challenged....

 

Funny stuff.
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I tend not to get into political discussions with my family members. If it happens, I make sure not to get too deep into a given issue or elaborate too much. If possible, I stay quiet.

My two favourite family members are too young respectively too old to bother with heavy philosophical matters anyways.

 

A few short years ago, I'd get the 'oh, our boy is just a little... different' from my family regarding conspiracy theories and libertarian idealism in political discussions. Not any more though. Theres still a few FOX/CNN consumers among my relatives that are happy to think what TV tells them to, but for the most part, they actually listen, consider and sometimes agree when I talk about how the entire system is stacked to favor political elites who work for financial elites who are using political divisionary theatre to institute global technocratic neofeudalism (globalism) in the guise of collectivism. Its not a hard sell anymore.

And its but a tiny step further to illustrate how Trump and individualism and civic nationalism stand as the greatest bulwark against the elite's agenda.

Freedom is becoming popular again.

 

It is in mine. The old uncles are raving libertarians by comparison

 

I don't think it's a reflection on character, either - not really. It's a reflection of the individual life journey.

 

Only once did I make the mistake to go on a rant about gun rights at a family gathering and that did not go very well. People got very upset and I kind of killed the whole atmosphere.

Never again.

(I live outside of the US so guns are even a more controversial topic in here than in the most left-wing of Leftist American households).

Anyways, my family gatherings are mostly centred around conflict and it is not as if there is much space for political discussions or any kind of normal conversation anyways. My tactic is to hide in a corner where no one can see me and have a few drinks so I am drowsy and passive for dinner.

 

I would of i didn't keep my mouth shut.

Portland Oregon breeds rabid liberals like you can't believe amd they are intolerant of opposition.

 

Cunning plan! And good excuse for those extra shandies

 

A couple of comedians made a tv series about the perversity of Portland. Called "Portlandia". You've probably seen it, but if not .. you must. It's very funny.

 

I have heard of it. If there is a perverse city it's definitely Portland.

Portland says keep Portland weird.. all the surrounding communities who have to put up with their bs say keep the weird in Portland.


I lived in the Columbia Gorge and all the creeps from Porntland would call it Portland's playground which was incredibly insulting. It's not their playground it was our home..

 

Yes, it's best to keep them contained in their little Bubble. We have a city like that in my country .. and it's best for the rest of the nation if they remain where they are (and eat themselves alive ... as they are inexorably doing).

Definitely get ahold of Portlandia. As long as you're comfortable with 'adult themes', you'll appreciate the undiluted mockery of the city.

Speaking of 'bubbles', there's a youtube video somewhere satirising Progressives - I think it's actually called "The Bubble". I'll try and find it.

 

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