Do you support the right of secession?

I heard an Illinois state legislature discuss a bill that seems to be getting a lot of support to force a succession of Chicago and make it a separate state because the state legislature is tired of everything being about Chicago and Chicago running them into debt they cannot pay with all their union contracts and welfare they suck from the state government.

 

Get real, sanctuary cities and states haven't been news for years.

 

Colin Quinn is doing a comedy show on CNN called Red State Blue State. Apparently he makes much the same arguments that I do and talks about the good sense in at least going to more a federation of separate States, if I got the gist of his promo.

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If we can't agree and concede that we never will, then why wait until there is another civil war. Agree to dismantle a system that is too broad and has far too much centralized power in the executive branch, but do so peacefully and according to the Constitution, by amendment.

 

So does that mean it's OK if Alabama has very restrictive laws on abortion as long as your state can have very loose abortion laws?

 

I would be delighted to see much of the coastal area of California from the Bay Area south secede as soon as POSSIBLE!

Politically, it's gone beyond despicable and loathsome. But there's other reasons to get rid of it, now -- the Hayward Fault, the Rose Canyon Fault, the Newport-Inglewood Fault, the Elsinore Fault, and yes, the famous San Andreas Fault.

WHEN (not "if") those earthquake faults break resulting in the anticipated, predicted devastation that seismologists have predicted for years, it will bankrupt the rest of the United States! Better to get rid of them now and let them live in their funny little, 'inclusive', 'diverse' fairyland of homeless bums and illegal aliens -- until the whole thing is ripped up and wrecked from one end to the other....

 

Except the US would still need the Pacific ports so you're tax dollars will be at work rebuilding even if the West Coast was it's own thing. Also no way Hawaii, Texas, New England, PR, etc. don't also exit stage left if secession without a war happens in the West. The US wouldn't exist at all if Calexit happened.

 

I'm not sure I follow your logic... so, if California (south of the Bay Area) secedes, we lose Oregon and Washington State, too...? I sure don't see that. Besides, what would prevent the U. S. from cutting a sweet deal with Mexico to jointly develop southern ports in Baja or the Sea of Cortez? Puerto Peñasco is not far at all from Phoenix....

Do you have any idea what a magnitude level (ML) 8.0 quake on any of the major faults running from the Salton Sea up and east of the San Gorgonio Pass, and on into the Bay Area would do to that whole part of California? Or, a quake of that size on the Hayward Fault, which runs directly underneath Oakland? We would have to run the 'printing presses' until they melted in a metal puddle to create enough money to pay for all THAT....

Highways, bridges, and overpasses -- destroyed
Water systems, and water & sewage pipelines -- broken and destroyed
Gas lines -- broken and destroyed
Harbors -- wrecked or inundated by tsunamis
Airports -- runways buckled and destroyed
Dams -- broken, with reservoirs flooding everything below them
Systems for distribution and commerce -- Are you kidding me...?!

Oh, and how are millions of frightened, angry, panic-stricken people going to react to:
no water
no food
no working toilets
no hospitals
no safe place to escape roving mobs of thugs who will kill them and take anything they have...?

No. The best time to off-load California is BEFORE all this happens.... It's already a diseased, festering, hyperliberal insane asylum full of worthless bums, illegal aliens, and others who are completely indifferent or downright hostile to the laws of the United States -- let California go -- NOW!

 

Got ya. So you have zero support for the statement you have made.

This does not surprise me coming from the low IQ pool of the right wing. Its well known you guys will make up anything to foster fear in order to impose your fascist beliefs.

 

Well, you may remember that it was "Messiah" Obama who famously boasted that he would rule with "a pen and a phone". You don't imagine that Obama doing THAT for eight years had anything to do with the f*cked-up psychological 'civil war' we're in today?!

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I don't think secession would be a good thing to do, but I think we should have the right to do it. The Feds need to know that we are not their servants.

The Feds have involved themselves too much into the lives of individual Americans. The 10A has been completely ignored for generations. Separating states from the feds would be very painful and should only be done as a last resort.

 

California would be literally part of Mexico within 6 months of leaving the US. They can't provide their own electricity, military, or water. The productive would flee to the US before the secession ink is dry and Mexicans would instantly rush in like they own the place, and they would be right. The cartels would run the place and it would be just as crappy as the rest of Mexico with better weather.

 

The US is a work in progress and, as a democratic republic, will embrace the ideals of its increasingly diverse demographic populace.

Progress is ineluctable, and I hope to be part of it.

I'm staying, but respect the right of any individual who wants to personally secede and abscond.

When some states rejected the US Constitution because their hope to expand their institution of slavery into new territories was thwarted, they sealed their fate. Even if the President of the United States, their duly-elected leader, had violated his oath of office and allowed their departure, they would have set the precedent of secession that would have resulted in their nation manque's disintegration.

 

Would an amicable separation require that federal aid to estranged states continue?

According to the Tax Foundation, the highest federal aid recipients are Mississippi (45.3% of the state’s general fund budget), Louisiana (44%), Tennessee (41%), South Dakota (40.8%), Missouri (39.4%), Montana (39%), and Georgia (37.9%).

If they leave, the richest states may not feel obligated to continue subsidizing them through the federal government.

 

More accurately, the basis having been common knowledge for years, your challenge is too retarded warrant any more response than I've given.

Granting such an optimistic scenario, do you really imagine none of that crap would ooze across America's new western border?

 

Without California, a more conservative America would be more willing to build a wall around California as well. America is becoming very polarized. Something ugly is going to happen eventually.

 

That wall will be to America what the Maginot Line was to France.

 

Without Obama's bailout, Texas would have gone to hell economically. Ditto for all the southern states as they get more welfare than dio the northern ones. So go ahead and try to secede - but take your state debt and your part of the national debt as well.

 

Except, of course, the Mexicans do not have panzer divisions, Heinz Guderian, and an incompetent opponent.

 

There is no "right to secede".

 

What ideals of our "increasingly diverse demographic populace" are you expecting?

Certainly the inclusion of Muslims into our diverse tapestry of multiculturalism has made anti semitism mainstream in the Democratic Party. What other foreign, soon-to-be domestic ideals do you expect we'll be embracing?

 

You are confused. Most American Jews, who are Democrats, do not subscribe to your pretense that anti-semitism is mainstream in their Party.

Government of the People, for the People, and of the People is an ideal defined by the People.

 

Two anti-semitic House members isn't mainstream, but the fact that the speaker of the House couldn't even get a resolution condemning anti-semitism through a Democratic majority House without watering it down is telling.

Never would have happened 20 years ago. I'll be curious to see what other crazy positions that our "increasingly diverse demographic populace" will force your party to accept.

 

So, if the malcontents were allowed to abscond, again,

Would an amicable separation require that federal aid to estranged states continue?

According to the Tax Foundation, the highest federal aid recipients are Mississippi (45.3% of the state’s general fund budget), Louisiana (44%), Tennessee (41%), South Dakota (40.8%), Missouri (39.4%), Montana (39%), and Georgia (37.9%).

If they leave, the richest states may not feel obligated to continue subsidizing them through the federal government.

They may even insist that they take the bloated trumpery national debt with them.

Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/under-donald-trump-budget-deficit-projected-to-rea/



"I'M THE KING OF DEBT!"



Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) called the $21 trillion national debt and ballooning budget deficit "very disturbing"
https://freebeacon.com/politics/mcconnell-national-debt-blames-bipartisan-reluctance-tackle-entitlements/​

 

I'll trust the majority of Jews in America who are Democrats to ignore hyper-partisan spin and decide for themselves. The Democratic resolution condemning “hateful expressions of intolerance,” passed the House by an overwhelming 407-to-23 vote. It cited “African-Americans, Native Americans, and other people of color, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, immigrants and others” victimized by bigotry. To pass separate measures for each specific group that has been and/or is being targeted for discrimination would be onerous.

Right wingers on parade.​