Do you think Trump was justified in asking Ukraine to look into potential corruption involving the B

Trump did not believe what he said was wrong and in fact it is his duty to make sure we investigate such corruption and protect our taxpayer dollars from it. That is the one thing the Dems can't get around "intent".

 

The problem with you liberals is that you aren't liberal at all, you're authoritarians.

You justify your authoritarianism by claiming you are acting in the name of the poor, weak, downtrodden, minorities, etc; but, you are authoritarian nonetheless.

In acting as authoritarians you ignore the Constitution, and rationalize that those you're stealing from and those whose rights you're violating can afford it or they deserve such treatment.

No free society can survive such an onslaught upon liberty. No society ever has.

Our Founding Fathers wrote extensively about the history of democracy and other forms of government; and, why they failed. It is why they rejected democracy and gave us a republic.

You leftists are quite literally burning down the house of liberty. You are either ignoring the principles of liberty, or you were never taught them to begin with. In my experience the latter tends to be true more often than the former.

I'm a libertarian b/c I believe in freedom for all; and, I believe a republican form of government is the only one which can protect individual liberty - just as our Founders did.

Sadly, few Republicans believe that anymore; and certainly no Democrat believes that.

 

I don't think he should even ask anymore, demand the investigation and do it on camera while giving the dems the middle finger.

 

I stopped reading after the first line. You’re clearly looking to rant. I really don’t care.

 

When you open a rant with “The problem with you liberals is...” don’t expect to retain your readers. You’re just ranting and grandstanding. Nothing said after that point will be considered thoughtful, no matter how much thought you may have put into it.
And a libertarian saying certain citizens should lose their freedoms? For shame. I don’t wish the same as you do. I hope you never have to experience the pain of someone else trampling your rights, because that shlt hurts.

 

It wasn't the best move he could make. We should be investigating it ourselves. Prerequisiting funds be released in assurance for cooperation in investigation would've been the best approach. But what Trump did, while not ideal, was entirely justified.

 

Yeh, but what we're seeing now that Biden has blown both feet off with his 'mouth-shotgun' in his own 'quid pro quo' in Ukraine is that Mikey Bloomberg is moving into the race with his FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS -- loud and strong.

Biden is FINISHED. None of the other Libocrat moron candidates is electable. So, here comes Bloomberg, who at least understands how to run a business, make a profit, and who can do 4th-grade arithmetic in his head without having to use a phone....

 

There is actually one other possibility.

 

Another "possibility"... for Democrats...? An ELECTABLE "possibility"...? Lay it on us!

The only thing that Democrats seem to want is a welfare-handout 'Santa Claus' that shovels out the 'free stuff' all year long!

But, THIS one can't run for a third-term! So... who?

 

Don't pretend, it's unbecoming. She would come nearer to winning than Biden or any of the other Santa clones.

 

I can only suppose you're talking about the corrupt, doctrinaire, stupid old bag, HILLARY? Well... she would be able to handle the 'welfare shovel', so, she'd be as 'good' as any of the rest of them. When you mash all the politically-correct bullshit out of it, most Democrats really only care about that one thing... FREE STUFF!

. They kept Obama's shovel for me... how nice!

 

Unpleasant as it may be to many of us, they ain't got nothing better. She is the only one they could put forth that has a chance of beating trump in my opinion. Of course, that and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

 

You've said it yourself, "it is his duty to make sure we investigate such corruption". When there's evidence of any crime, that's when an investigation begins. When the person suspected of any crime happens to be, not only a U.S. citizen, but also a former Vice President of the United States, it is incumbent to do any type of investigations on any U.S. citizen using our own United States intelligence, which is superior to any in the world. Using a foreign government, particularly one that's involved in a war with Russia, is the last place that any investigations on U.S. citizens should commence. When the US investigates they use all the intelligence foreign assistance of the 'five eyes'.

The bottom line is that any U.S. citizen should be investigated by the U.S. intelligence, and initiated ONLY if there is hard evidence of wrongdoing.

 

Sorry, but only Ukraine can investigate in Ukraine. Hard evidence has not been needed for the Trump haters to investigate Trump so that shoots that down.

 

You think Trump should trust our intelligence agencies? You missed the whole impeachment circus, huh?

 

Yes, I absolutely believe that we all should trust our intelligence agencies. You have swallowed the disinformation pill and now you trust a newly formed government that has had rampant corruption in the past 8 years over our institutions that have, for generations, kept this democracy of ours safe.

 

Yes as he said "help us" and let's hope they are doing so.

It's called probable cause and it is glaring.

It's the DOJ not the CIA, it's a criminal investigation not an intelligence operation and they are initiated when there is probable cause. But tell me did you hold the same position about the Obama administration investigating the Trump campaign and then incoming administration? What was the HARD evidence of wrongdoing?

 

It's remarkable how gullible the trumpers can be.

 

Trump might (MIGHT) have been able to argue he had a legitimate concern if he hadn't tried to route the investigation through his PERSONAL attorney who had already admitted that this investigation "meddling" (his word) was for Trump's PERSONAL benefit, not for the US government. There's no excusing this.

 

well several Billion$ in IMF and US backed loans went missing through Privatbank in spring of 2014, held by Brociti Investments A Cyprus based company, owned by Zlochevsky, minister of natural resources under Viktor Yanukovych, which acquired Burisma Holdings in 2011.

Do you boys use Gain detergent in that laundry machine ?

 

I may have swallowed a pill but didn't wash it down with koolaid. What are they protecting us from, Trump? He's the best thing to happen to American or World politics since Reagan. That's why I voted for him and he has not disappointed so I'll do that again.

The Bidens are a noble American family and Epstein killed himself. Oh, and Benghazi was a reaction to a mean old movie.

 

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You have no clue at all what our intelligence agencies are capable of doing every single day to keep our country safe. There's thousands of men and women who are working every minute of every day towards that goal. The NSA is responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign and domestic intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, specializing in a discipline known as signals intelligence. The CIA collects, analyzes, evaluates, and disseminates foreign intelligence. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has principal responsibility for countering the activities of foreign intelligence services within the United States in order to protect both classified U.S. Government information and proprietary information held by U.S. industry.

You don't understand any of this because no planes have flown into a skyscraper since 2001. No nuclear power plants have been sabotaged causing a nuclear accident. No ISIS terrorist has blown up a mall filled with shoppers. You can only relate to terrorism after the fact, you never stop to think of what has been thwarted, or what could have been monumentally destructive.

Donald Trump has been more destructive to our democracy than any terrorism attack could possibly be. He has corroded our country from the inside, he's the very root of our problems. He has turned people like you against institutions that are here for one purpose, to keep this country safe. He has undone years of trust and faith in our Constitution in 3 short years. He's accomplished much more harm than a planeload of ISIS terrorists could ever do. He has performed like a marionette on a string being controlled by Vladimir Putin and couldn't do more harm to this democracy than if it were Putin himself sitting in the White House.

Joe Biden is not on trial in the Senate, Donald J. Trump is.

 

What you described is what those agencies are supposed to do. Interfering in American politics because the people elected a President that might upset their carefully crafted power structure is not.

Trump isn't either, maybe someday.

 

*LOL*

Yes, there's no "hard evidence". Except in the Mueller Report, and in Bonespurs' words and actions WRT to Ukraine, verified by documents (texts and emails) and each and every witness who's testified.

 

The Ukraine thing is a very, very big thang. The American people are very pleased with impeachment, in a tenterhook state of suspense that is unbearable, as titillating as watching grass grow.

Impeachment over the Ukraine thang is much more important to the American people than the economy, jobs, and prosperity.

When it's no longer the Ukraine thang, it will morph into some other thang, or reverse ratchet back to Russian collusion.