Do you want a driverless vehicle?

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  1. Spim

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    you thought it was too long?

    I almost slit my throat half way through the fist monstrosity of a paragraph.... didn't read after that,,,,

    but anyway, ya, i'd gladly own one, I have a 6 mile commute with 3 turns involved, easy peasy, but please note i'm a cheap azz, I generally buy older cars for $2500-$5500 and run them to the ground my last purchase was a lexus SUV that is old enough to vote.

    So.. its safe to assume that my first driverless car will be a long time from now, I might be the last guy on the road with a regular vehicle :)

    Added bonus, I could eat, drink, smoke, text all at once when the time comes, kinda looking forward to that.
     
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    I want a fleet of them, and a license to operate a taxi service, and a decent insurance quote.
     
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    What doyou think about self driving vehicles? Are you excited about self driving technology? Do you plan on buying a self driving

    Do you like driving a car? Do you know how to drive a car? Can you park a car? If you do want a 'self driving vehicle' then why?[/QUOTE].
    In Australia, using Uber is often safer than using a taxi. Id prefer to drive myself in the top of the line Commodore. I like Elon Musk because you have to admire someone who starts to build cars- in this economic climate.
     
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    I agree except for the 110 degree weather and the hot coffee. I love cruising around listening to music, but I prefer around 70-80 degree weather and an ice coffee. :D
     
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    If you drive in city traffic (Like DC, LA, Philly) you want a car that drives itself. If you live in the burbs you probably don't.

    I think it would be great in the beginning to allow cars to self-drive under 45mph (ish) in heavy traffic. Eventually, as the tech get's better trust cars to do more. My car has adaptive cruise control. It will self-brake all the way to zero MPH and speed back up and I F-ING love it in traffic and wish it could do more.

    Now, someone mentioned hacking and I agree this is a HUGE potential issue and something that will have to be dealt with, but it's not an insurmountable problem. Dealers could write their own code and secure it through methods I'm not going to go into here.
     
  6. Just_a_Citizen

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    Plodded through a tiny fraction of the WordSalad... Gave me gas.

    As for the car?

    No thanks.
     
  7. DoctorWho

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    Or a care giver / driver, with reduced vision and perhaps impending blindness, comes a plethora of issues.
     
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    Driving is one of my few pleasures, I would be the last to get one.
     
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    Maybe it was me.... I think car ownership will decline in the next decade. I also think the market for gasoline will shrink.. more electric cars.

    A guy in rural Oklahoma will still need his pick up and his wife will need a car but in densely populated urban areas.. there will be more mass transit..

    A friend of mine .. a native New Yorker .. who goes to Manhattan twice a year to see his kids and grandkids tells me there is an explosion of bike rentals in the city.

    You swipe your card take a bike.. then return the bike anywhere, and swipe your card again. Its mushroomed (and its healthy) It is also cheap. People in the city pay as much as $800 a month to keep their car in a garage and they have to tip the valet coming and going.
     
  10. Robert

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    So capitalists selling gasoline autos will lose business to capitalists making electric cars who will lose business to capitalists making cycles so you peddle all over. Sounds right.

    If a family is like rats, only taking brief trips where no need to haul even groceries is a need, maybe so. But a lot of families can't take mass transit to vacation spots. Parks all over America would suffer. Visits to aunt Ellen are far harder riding a bicycle when the trip includes other relatives as well as shopping for goods to take home.

    Gasoline is among the densest energy packages per cu ft and per weight. I doubt your prediction frightens the experts very much.
     
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    Other than the homo comments I largely agree with this rant.

    I don't want to see driverless vehicles anywhere in my state, and I'm pretty sure the Legislature agrees with me.
     
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    LOL.. Its NOT my prediction, old man.
     
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    Well, fast as that, you retracted your prediction. No noted.
     
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    Summary;
    Driverless vehicle(s)
    One benefit,
    As electric and driverless vehicles increase, so will the LGBT Population increase, according to the OPer.....

    Winner Winner chicken dinner !!!!
     
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    When driverless cars become statistically safer than human driven cars... yes.
     
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    I don't see a downside to moar LGBT lol
     
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    When AI becomes advanced enough to figure out a complex multi faceted event involving a human, a store manikin and a dog,
    Then yes.
    Until then, any programmed non thinking computer driver will run into things or situations the original program did not account for.

    Several times a day, I encounter at least 3 or more situations I have never had before, after 36 years of driving, that is a high number of events.
     
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    First of all I am a pilot. So i know quite a lot as to using devices to automatically fly the airplane. I have flown using autopilot many times. But we pilots are trained far more than auto drivers to scan the skies. We are trained relentlessly to FLY the airplane.

    What defense will the human passenger offer if the automatic system fails and the auto kills humans?

    I think for insurance companies, this means a lot higher premium due to the higher risk. And we fly airplanes automatically when we are not around other airplanes. We dare not trust the systems on their own to safely keep us apart from aircraft. True commercial airplanes have super systems and they are far more able that we are to evade other aircraft.

    But what do you as the owner of the automatic car say when the car automatically kills humans?
     
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    This will become another urban vs rural young vs old issue.

    People who live in cities that have to deal with traffic will likely welcome the idea of a car that drives itself. While I take great pleasure in driving, always have, but having said that, I recently bought a car that has adaptive cruise control. It will match the speed of the car in front of me, brake all the way to a full stop and accelerate all by itself. If the car would steer itself in heavy traffic, I'd have no problem with it, matter of fact I'd love it.

    The young are much more likely to adopt driver-less cars. It will take a generation, but by 2030 I expect most cars will be electric and most will have the capability of driving themselves.
     
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    Our state legislators are mostly old.
     
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    Auto Pilot in Aircraft is entirely another matter.
    First, you have a flight plan and flight corridors and Air traffic control and no congestion like you have on the ground.

    Auto Pilot is not about collision avoidance, it is more about setting a destination and automatically calculating a heading while accounting for wind vectors and other factors, plotting a course with best fuel economy.

    Radar does the scanning as well as Air traffic control sorting out and management of flight paths.

    Visual will tell you absolutely zilch, if visibility is zero.
     
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    I have given this a bit of thought, a previous post made me realize, we do not need AI, or Auto Driver, better would be improved roads to include a system like an ant trail the car can follow and maintain a straight line or follow a curve etc automatically taking the stress out of night driving.

    You set a destination, there is no confusion as to what road or exit to take.
    This would make driving safer, collision avoidance and maintaining safe distances as well as coordinated speeds for faster overall travel and when a vehicle Begins to fail, it is safely exited from the road with this information relayed to the other vehicles navigation systems..

    Better road information as well as coordinated GPS, this being superior to simply having a completely automated driverless vehicle.
     
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  23. Robert

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    Given my actual remarks, I just have no idea why the above post managed to be written.

    Commercial company policy is to have a flight plan. VFR flights may or may not include the flight plan. Most flying out of the local area will file a flight plan as a safety measure in case we crash.

    I have filed flight plans and taken many trips not filing a flight plan. The autopilot has nothing to do with flight plans.

    A problem with auto pilots is the pilot could get comfortable and not scan the skies properly. Commercial pilots fly aircraft loaded with safety features not found on most private airplanes.
     
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    I speak my mind, I was communications, observing flight ops, you will not see much, enough to avoid a collision given the speeds commercial aircraft operate at or the limited visibility and distances covered rapidly by an aircraft on a collision course, hence radar, onboard collision warnings, air traffic control notification of an impending collision course.

    Anyway I am not interested in a size comparison here, you obviously have the bigger weener.....

    Lol....
     
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    " A problem with auto pilots is the pilot could get comfortable and not scan the skies properly."

    Yeah, tripe that, if visibility is zero, you can't visually scan for anything, everything will depend on instruments, radar, and Air traffic control, to insure you do not fly your Aircraft into that F-16 that is fueling or any type of collision.
    Lots of cockpits have very limited visibility too, so radar is a better option.
    As is Air traffic control.
     
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