Documentary of the Warren Commission

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmmm ... what are we to make of Oswalds associations with right-wing lunatics Bannister and David Ferrie ...

     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    He had no known association with Bannister and only a teenaged association with Ferrie in Civil Air Patrol
     
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    Oswald was a commie lover by day, for the public to see on the streets of New Orleans. But in his after hours he associated with anti Castro CIA nuts like Ferrie, Bannister etc. and he was assisted by CIA affiliated "managers" like Ruth Paine and George DeMorhenschildt.

    He was a product of the Office of Naval Intelligence and was able to "defect" to Russia and then come back again because he was a low level player in Cold War espionage intrigues. His records exist, I've posted them already.


    How is this anything at all like the picture painted by the Warren Commission of Oswald the loner nut case? If the trolls that hang out in this section had one ounce of brains or self respect they would stop promoting a fifty year old lie.
     
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    What gets me is the obsessive resistance of "some people" to even consider that the Warren Commission was flawed. I'm not saying that the assasiation was a "government execution". I find that to be a stretch. But it really appears that there was a conspiracy that involved both elements of the CIA and possibly the FBI (although that is less clear and the mob (who worked together in Cuba).

    The government may have been involved in (what I see as a ) benign cover up to prevent the public from thinking either Cuba or Russia orchestrated it, Were that to occur we might well have had a nuclear war.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    There is no evidence that he associated with Ferrie except as a teenager in CAP. There is no evidence he had anything to do with Guy Bannister.

    Ruth Paine was a teacher with no association with the CIA and DeMorhenschildt was no spy or handler.

    He was never linked to the office of naval intelligence in any way. There are no such records and you are flat out stating a lie as you have never posted them.

    It is you promiting conspiracy theory fiction
     
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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing "benign" about a plot that killed so many people and ruined so many lives besides John Kennedy's and the possibility of nuclear war would only be possible if the upper echelons of our government hadn't covered for those people among them who were up to their necks in the plot to pull off a coup.

    It's entirely self serving for government shills to claim they were just saving us all from the possibility of a nuclear holocaust.
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    Pretty strong words there. Glad you two are on the same side. LOL
     
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    I came to the same conclusion years ago...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-not-act-alone.475743/page-4#post-1067199122

    I'm not sure if it was a re-creation or not but in his film JFK, Oliver Stone did have a quote from Earl Warren that went something like this; "We're here to close doors, not open them." I Googled the phrase and got no hits so I'm not sure if true quote or not. It does account for the US behavior after the war and how we ignored Cuba. The Frontline investigation is really damning to the CIA. Hopefully they are not that incompetent all the time...lol
     
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    Please don't misunderstand what I said. I never said nor meant to say that the assassination was benign.

    It is very likely that the cover up and actual assassination were completely different things orchestrated by completely separate groups.

    The assassination was most likely carried out by the Mob acting with rogue elements of the CIA (all of whom were involved in our Cuba operations.)

    The cover up was benign in that it was designed to prevent the public from clamoring for an invasion of Cuba which would have triggered a war. Remember that this was only a couple years removed for the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    In fact I have read that in the beginning the Kennedys (most notably Robert...Attorney General at the time) participated in the cover up . HE may have been largely responsible for the autopsy being as screwed up as it was.

    Didv the perpetrators of the assasination understand tht the government would try to cover up their crime? That's entirely possible
     
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    I don't doubt your sincerity. It's just that the entire CIA, not just a "rogue element", was actively covering it's own tail and doing damage control when it came to investigating the murder of a president which they themselves were undoubtedly behind.
    https://www.sott.net/article/303708-New-light-on-the-CIAs-cover-up-of-the-JFK-assassination

    This isn't the Mob killing Kennedy with help from some CIA renegades...it was the CIA running the show and the Mob were the helpers
    and providing lateral support.
    And it wasn't the fear of nuclear war should the Soviet Union and Cuba be implicated......
    it was fear that the whole rotten underbelly of the federal government be exposed if the CIA was seen as an out of control cancerous by product of the Cold War that would kill it's own president to get it's way.

    The truth that the Warren Commission tried so hard to cover up that it invented the lie of Lee Harvey Oswald, lone assassin, wouldn't look bad for the Soviet Union. It would look bad for the US itself and a rogue agency like the CIA. The story of the truth causing a nuclear holocaust was just more of the same CIA damage control in action.
     
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    And hence the CIA allegedly (although I don't doubt it) weaponized the term "conspiracy theorist", creating the illusion that all those who believe the US government is lying and offer alternate theories are nut jobs. The irony is that the CIA itself makes a living from conspiracy theories.
     
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    It certainly serves them well to label everyone that sees beyond the official explanations as a "conspiracy nut".

    Nobody who even spends a little bit of time honestly looking at the Warren Commission report can deny they are lying through their teeth
    in so many different ways.
     
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    Doubles of Oswald have been used and there is no proof that Oswald shot Tippit. http://22november1963.org.uk/jim-garrison-officer-j-d-tippit
    James Files, who reliably claims to have shot Kennedy, claims that a killer was brought in just to shoot a cop and Oswald, thereby further falsely implicating him and neatly ending the circle of blame (which Ruby had to step in to do, dooming himself in the process).
    http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/tip.htm
    Is this the man James Garrison is referring to?
     
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    Of course you have spent no time looking at it and have no idea what it says
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    James files has no credibility or reliability in his claim. Doubles were not used and there would be no reason to use them.

    Massive evidence proves OSwald shot Tibbets
     
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    Tell us on what basis you claim Files has no credibility
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    He has absolutely zero corroborating evidence
     
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    How many doubles were there? If there are more than one, wouldn't that be a triple?
     
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    I don't. I claim just the opposite. Where do you see that?
     
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    Two doubles would be a quadruple. I'm not surprised that stumps you.
     
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    The koo-koo for coco puffs assertion that body doubles were used causes twofers yet another problem with their already implausible, tortured , and silly theory. Just as the introduction of the ladies in the stairwell backfired all over them and conclusively prove Oswald could climb 4 flights of stairs and be seen in the lunch room before the police officer challenges him (because two gals in heels climbed the same distance and never saw the officer) and the introduction of Roger Craig who is the only officer to testify that he saw a Mauser rifle on the 6th floor was blown to smitherines (he also claims he saw Oswald get into a station wagon right after shooting and he saw a .45 slug and a piece of JFK on the street), the body double is the proverbial 3rd strike.

    A body double has some uses. I don't think the twofers know what they are but the uses are either to exonerate or implicate Meaning that you have the body double in some high profile place during the assassination to show he was somewhere else. Of you use the body double to screw Oswald. Meaning you either use the double to show someone committing a crime,which is what is being alleged above; the testimony is a body double shot Officer Tippit. As usual, the twofers don't think the whole thing through; unless the double also iced Kennedy. I'm sure that will be next; LOL.

    Okay. Kennedy is shot. We know that.
    The TSBD is secured within about 10-15 minutes after the killing. We know that.
    The ONLY employee not accounted for is Oswald. We know that. Of the 2 Oswalds in our story, both are out of the TSBD at this point
    Oswald got on a Dallas City Bus. The Bus Driver picked him out of a police line up AND he had a transfer for that afternoon in his pocket. We know that.
    Oswald then caught a cab. The cab driver recalls that clearly and was able to identify Oswald. We know that.

    Lets skip the affair of shooting Tippit.

    Then later Oswald (or the double) is found at the Texas Theater. We know that.

    The question is since Oswald, according to the twofers, never shot anyone. Why would he run? He should have been there in the building when it was sealed. There would be no reason for him to run, right?. So that blows the theory out of the sky because he did run. Somone was arrested, questioned and killed by Jack Ruby. Of course, if it was the body double (remember the twofers swear the real Oswald never shot anyone and the only Oswald to commit a crime was the body double killing Tippit) Jack Ruby was the real patsy because he killed someone on live TV who was not involved in killing JFK.
     
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    If you have 2 doubles and 1 original; that is a 3. (i.e. Triple). I'm not surprised you're wrong yet again. It's the one consistent quality about you.
     
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    I know that when I shoot a President the first thing I want to do is go to the movies
     
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    So precisely what IS the common standard for someone to behave like or do after shooting the president?
     

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