Does a major fallen angel return to G-d and divide the kingdom of Satan and...

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    cause it to fall?

    In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

    I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!







     
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    The only way that a lion can have its eating habits altered is by becoming something other than a lion. To become a vegetarian, it would have to be suitably equipped and adapted, perhaps more like the brown/grizzly bears that spend time foraging on grass.

    Taking the idea a step further, it should not have to eat any living thing. An absorbable energy supply would have to be available throughout the ambience. Visions of such realms have been described, but they are of another reality in higher dimensions.

    A “kingdom divided against itself” is a metaphor for physical reality. Multitudes of separate parts and activities interact. The action can’t be smoothed out without an increase towards unification. Thus uniform peace cannot be made inherent in this world, but will occur only when this world is redimensioned.

    Meanwhile Lucifer isn’t going anywhere on our behalf. The best we can do is get our planetary house in order by arsekicking the mismanagers and abusers.
     
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    Wow!

    Spectacular answer Gelecski!

    I have a lot of questions about how and when and why the nature of carnivorous animals will be altered. Near death experience Howard Storm did an admirable job of at least introducing the topic in terms that are a little easier to understand than Isaiah 65:25:
    http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04
     
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    Of course I could be wrong but my impression was that the Azazel of Leviticus 16:10 was probably the same King of the Watchers who in the Book of Enoch (that was part of Christian canon for five centuries), at least showed respect to Enoch… and humility toward the G-d of Abraham.

    http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_723.cfm
     
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    The details contained in fable....are but fable.

    Do we kill all snakes...or simply fear them?
     
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    Neither. We simply give them the respect that they are due. I have handled many of the North American variety of snakes (including some poisonous snakes) and not as a religious practice but simply keeping them away from those who are fearful of them and don't know how to handle them. As a youngster (about 8 years of age) my brother and I even got in trouble one morning for capturing and taking to school (show and tell) a Copperhead. Nothing to fear... just treat them with due respect.
     
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    As is par for the course...you completely fail to grasp the meaning.
     
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    Really? You were talking about 'snakes'... Yes or No?
     
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    Buh Bye
     
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    Come on now.. it is a simple question with a simple answer.
     
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    We may have the option to transform the nature of snakes so that they are less aggressive……….. We are also in a position where we may soon be able to invent an android with capabilities that could well remind us of Zeus or Athena or …..


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...elligent-androids-how-could-we-test-them.html
    If we invent super intelligent androids... how could we test them?
    Might we perhaps invent some sort of virtual reality holographic environment where the attitude and character of an android can be tested to see if they will behave in a manner that is altruistic and humble?

    The analogy to Adam, Eve, Lucifer and his angels should be obvious!

    …...

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html#a04
    The Holographic Universe and the Near-Death Experience
     
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    Among those five popular explanations for who were the sons of God that married the daughters of men, there is one that views the sons of Seth as godly in contrast to the sons of Cain as ungodly.

    Your source exercised good judgment in stating that no doctrine should be fashioned out of those five inventive notions about said “sons of God,” but it did not address the nitty gritty basis of the controversy.

    Gen 4:23-24 makes Lamech, the father of Noah, a murderer, which is not totally unexpected, since he is a descendant of murderous Cain. However, starting with Gen 4:25, Lamech and Noah end up in the line of descent from Seth, a new son of Adam. There is no Seth in the Jhwhist’s genealogy of Gen 1-24, after which the priestly mindset put in its two cents worth. Furthermore, Seth is only one letter away from Set, the Egyptian god who murdered his brother Horus. That alone should be enough to arouse suspicion. But no, gullibility seems to be the rule in some circles. A bit of inserted rewriting is all it takes to make sordid characters godly.

    There is a way to make sense out of the mess: isomerism. Sarai became Sarah, Abram became Abraham, Jesus son of God became Christ, son of Man. Involutionary brutes (sons of God), symbolically going across time, became the husbands of Evolutionary feminism (daughters of men).
     
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    On the other hand, that symbol in the margin of the editing that I cited is seen in other examples which I have found to contain gems of wisdom.

    Lurking behind the crudeness of the editor's distortion is a subtle meaning; his choice of Seth (= Set) is probably no accident. This theme is one often repeated esoterically in the Bible: the reality of planetary life is that it starts out murderous, ruthless and violent.
     
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    Impressive analogy Incorporeal!

    Have you ever read The Book of Adam and Eve?


    http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

    In this book there are sections on the conflict between Adam and Eve and Satan and The Word/ Logos that gave a logical answer to many of my questions.
     
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    Actually.... Incorporeal's idea of showing respect for snakes... even a copperhead...… is a good analogy...… to anybody who begins to deal with the paranormal.

    We should not actually fear fallen angels............we should have trust in our source of protection.....for me it is the sacrifice of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus on my behalf........... Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald in his book The Prayer of Silence writes about how important it is to have a source of protection before you enter the state of extreme meditation in which you might just have an out of the body experience.


    http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers08.html

    The Trigger of Extreme Meditation: Joni Maggi's Near-Death Experience

    ......…

    In Matthew chapter 4 did Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus meet Satan in a higher dimension of space time, in a near death experience type of consciousness or out of body experience..... because fasting will help induce this state as well.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=4


    Mat 4:2


    And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


    Mat 4:5


    Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,


    Mat 4:8


    Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

    And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
     
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    I admit that this is a rather dangerous thing to do but after 24 years of research I do feel that I need to get into this subject.


    http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswer...tID=113845502&trk=view_disc&ut=2DZrYnki3AtBA1

    "Can the Devil return to G-d with his whole heart? Who is the fallen angel mentioned in Leviticus 16?

    ...............… What I am doing is not a doctrine but it is speculation that I am hoping could turn out to be at least somewhat accurate as well as one part of the full fledged explanation of the mysteries now in these latter days.

    This topic even relates to the Middle East because in my opinion it is not a coincidence that a man with the name Mahmoud Abbas.......... is the leader of the Palestinian Authority.


    Matthew 27:17


    "Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?"

    ........... The name Barabbas in English... should probably have been translated Bar Abbas.
     
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    Ref. Post #3: The animals named in Isaiah 65:25 are avatars that represent specific countries in the Middle East during that time period. The story is about a world that will be better than the cruel one that was in existence at that time. The animals represent the countries that would live in peace and harmony instead of war and conflict.

    The animals represent Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt, the Hittites, and possibly the sacrifice as represented by the lamb.

    If you were to read a story about how the bear and the swan shall feed together, the leopard shall eat straw like the oryx, and dust shall be the dragon's food would you be able to figure out what the story was talking about? Or would you simply take it at face value?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_animals

    The Bible is an ethnocentric Middle East Jewish religious fairy tale. You have to consider the use of metaphors when reading it.
     
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    I do agree with you that the animals mentioned are symbols of nations so their being tamed does indeed refer to genuine peace coming to the earth but........... I also lean heavily toward an eventual alteration in the nature of animals as more of the Ruach ha Kodesh is poured out on all flesh.

    An event in Kenya back in 2002 is a foretaste of this happening.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1905363.stm

     
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    No Dennis, I can honestly say that I have never read that book nor heard of it until you just mentioned it. Is it available on the internet someplace without outrageous cost factors?

     
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    Yes.... that is one of the links to a version of it that is free of charge:

    http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

    Incorporeal...… I have a challenge for you.... your family..... your church and your friends...… including your internet contacts.

    If you and your friends will form some sort of organized barter and film production company and /or cooperative...… I can try my best to assist you to get into some topics that are both interesting as well as controversial..... which could tend to increase the probability that you might end up having a film success in some genre.


    http://www.christianforums.com/t7701455/
    North American churches should each have their own currency!

    ..........

    One of the most obvious ways to use a church currency would be to give an offer to homeless people in your area....to become actors who play the role of homeless people being assisted by your church to address their specific situation!

    People with a drug or alcohol problem...could be come actors playing the role of themselves....and they could be paid in church dollars for the time that they put into your film project?!

    http://www.christianforums.com/t7681433/

    Concepts for reality, semi-reality and documentary films that address social issues!
    I am firmly convinced that it is possible for Christians to use films to address specific problems in our modern world in such a way that many lives are changed and Christianity itself comes to be viewed in a much more positive way!


    ..................
     
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    Incorporeal.... do you personally ever aspire to write a book?

    Do you have any friends or family members who would like to write a book that would have a good chance to be published?

    Post #1 and post #4 of this discussion will explain where I was 24 years ago and much of the how and why that I ended up in such a different place philosophically and theologically than I was back in 1990.

    I can write you an e-mail giving you non-exclusive rights to quote any or all of this for one dollar and legally you or your friend might just have the beginnings of a literary success because this is a question that is going to become more and more important as the signs that we are somehow in a new era become more abundant.

    http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi

    Rabbi ........, linking Jerusalem Third Temple with Grand Unified Theory of Modern World Problems.

    .................
     
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    No promises other than that I will look into it and see what others think about the subject matter. First I must do my own research and then the contacting of others.

     
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    Holler at me on the PM.

     
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    Here is a discussion over on a Messianic Jewish forum that relates to all this as well.....


    http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/

    Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is just a theory and I may be wrong but after being highly skeptical of the idea of a rapture for most of my life I am now open to the idea that the Rapture could fit in extremely well with the ultimate fulfillment of the Fast of Yom Kippur.


    I could not get my head around this idea until reading the NDE account of Dr. Richard Eby:



    www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/91.html
     
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    Even modern "fables" may have a basis in the prophecies of the past.

    ........


    http://www.forumforpages.com/facebo...aughter-of-ephrayim-joseph-yosef/1688536932/0
    Buffy the Vampire Slayer = Messiah daughter of Ephrayim/Joseph/Yosef???!!


    Judaism teaches of the coming of TWO rather than merely one Messiah/Moshiach!


    One of the Messiah's/Moshiach's would be "anointed for warfare" and would play a significant role in ending warfare as we know it as well as assisting the Jewish people to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple which as far as I can figure out at this time is a metaphor for each and every single human mind, heart and body on this third rock!


    The Creator/The G-d of Abraham/Maker of heaven and earth, being composed of fundamental energy and having evolved and learned over infinite time in the past is a phenomenally good educator who well understands the value of NOT telling everybody, all of the relevant truth, all of the time because we, in the immortal words of Jack Nicholson, "can't handle the truth!"


    Proverbs 29:11 "A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise [man] keepeth it in till afterwards."


    Orthodox Jewish scholar Yair Davidiy has played around with the idea of the predicted Moshiach ben Yosef person being born perhaps in North America:


    www.britam.org/messiah.html

     

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