Does the Reality of Global Warming Burn Your Arse?

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  1. Bran Muffin

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    Paris is not nonsense but you're right about government. Actually, those who control govt have huge incentives to NOT do anything.

    Follow the money and I can guarantee you it won't lead to the small family farmers who are losing their farms. To that same 1%.
     
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    It's NEVER burned my arse until NOW ! I have never experienced this kind of heat wave in California in the past ....

    I'm now a believer !
     
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    Politicians who pass laws outlawing meat eating will not be re-elected.
     
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    Give a link or reference or book which shows that the number one source of global CO2 emissions is meat eating ???
     
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    I remember a few years back when Schwarzenegger said there were no longer fire seasons. Now, its all the time.
     
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    You won’t respond because you have no rational response.
     
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    Equations that have been untested? That's hilarious!

    I worked as a computer programmer for 10 years. And I used code, data libraries, a computer language...things like that. But I don't remember ever using "assumptions"
     
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    All GCM and mathematical models in general are based on assumptions. And all of the IPCC models over predict global average temperature in large part because there assumption on the climate sensitivity of CO2 is ~ 3 deg C when the actual value is ~ 1 deg C.
     
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    Why?
    You'e already said you are ignoring the links I posted.

    You have no clue. Your post was a knee jerk reaction. I gave you two excellent sources and I'd bet you have access to google dot com. Do with it all as you wish.


    Exactly true. The 1% would never allow it and people aren't willing to educate themselves so they can make intelligent decisions. Instead, the same forces that have had control of what YOU believe are still in force. Walk into any grade school cafeteria and you'll see bright, colorful posters about what food is good for you. Get up close and read the fine print at the bottom. You'll see they're produced by the American Dairy Association, Beef Growers and other cartels, all of which have very powerful lobbies that control your "representative".
     
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    The negative impact on growth will be less than the impact that Global Warming would have if we do nothing. The positive impact can be huge. Unfortunately we will have lost 4 years and others have taken over the leadership from us. We can still retake it when Trump is out. But we'll need to catch up. As for what can be done, the IPCC report has one of its Task Forces producing output. The implementation is done through the Paris Agreement (managed by the UNFCCC), which issues the guidelines for implementation when appropriate. The UNFCCC deals with the two big areas: mitigation and adaptation. Mitigation starts by not making the problem bigger than it already is.

    The Paris Agreement goes on even without us. The U.S. Governors who understand the issue have been tryinig to pick up for the inacton of the Federal Government. Along with Private industry. So there is still plenty of very effective action. But it would be much easier if the Federal Government were involved. The Paris Agreement Page has plenty of material on what is being done. U.S. Private industry is trying to take advantage of the opportunities that Green Technology can give us. But it's very difficult for them to compete without the support of the Federal Government.

    Only if we stop electing incompetent nutjobs. Serious contenders from both Parties understand the issue well.
     
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    The government will have the biggest impact, of curse. But private industry has had a huge impact too. The Obama administration supported those efforts by private companies. The Trump administration does not. We had the opportunity to be the world leaders in green technology. Trump didn't have the brains to see it.
     
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    Have you ever prepared a program where every single thing on earth has an influence including the smallest blade of grass and little boys lighting matches? Assumptions are required to keep from having to account for every single blade of grass and little boys lighting matches.

    Ultimately they will use dependent data to come up with a program. That means they will take a look at the existing CO2 and CO2 generation over the past years along with every other thing which might have an influence and correlate that with the global temperatures. That is all dependent data. With that model, they can come up with a forecast of what will happen twenty years from now.

    Twenty years from now they can take that forecast and compare it the actual data. That will be independent data because the results are not part of the original model. After they make a number of forecasts and compare it with the results and then they will have a model which is tested.

    Like I said, their computer models are untested.
     
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    My arse is fine. I have been saving water in some large plastic swimming pools and two cement ponds and two livestock tanks. At capacity it is about 3000 gallons. It has been dry and one of my cement ponds leak and we have lost a lot of water through evaporation. I will have to drain one pond.....I could pump it into another pond or water plants with it. We could use some rain. Also need to learn to use water better.
     
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    Those links do not make your point.

    And that’s my point. Your premise is politically impossible.
     
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    That’s BS. The Paris Accords will reduce economic growth and have no significant reduction on the rate of CO2 emissions increase.
     
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    That’s hilarious. Perfectly meaningless. Trump is focused economic growth which is the best policy to adapt to any local effects of global warming. Obamanomics produced a pathetic 1% productivity growth.
     
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    What the heck? The heat is on.
     
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    And you would be correct. I don't have a rational way to respond to complete nonsense.
     
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    There you go again.
     
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    May be. But the assumptions are not in the program. They are in the parameters fed to the program. You don't build assumptions into a program. Not if you're a half-decent programmer.

    In any case, I'm talking about Science. Not about models.

    Models have nothing to do with the Consensus position.
     
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    You cannot be serious ?? You are talking nonsense. That's one of the most hilarious displays of ignorance I've seen on this forum. Wow !!!
     
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    How does science predict how much CO2 will be produced when the CO2 production affected by politics, weather, economics....etc? it is all about climatological models.
     
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    I was just making fun of the concept you have of what a program is. I'm afraid you didn't get it.

    Assumptions are great. And useful. But they're never built into the program. They are parameters. Data that is fed into the program by an operator.
     
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    Not true. While natural processes are indeed continuing they are being dwarfed by anthroprogenic induced processes.

    Correct. Then again, CO2 concentrations weren't increasing by 2 ppm/yr either.

    That doesn't mean total solar irradiation will drop by 60% though. And thank goodness too, because we'd turn into a snowball within just a few months if it did. That fact is that solar activity and total solar irradiation peaked 60 years ago and yet the Earth continues to warm.

    Increased volcanism played a significant role as well.

    Then how come the Earth isn't cooling? Remember, solar radiation is decreasing and volcanism increased a lot starting with Pinatubo in 1991 and yet the Earth warmed...by a lot.
     
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    The Paris Accord does nothing of the kind. It's just an accord. It facilitates projects and coordinates projects among nations. The projects are proposed by the nations themselves. There is a list of projects on their site. To make the statement you just made would mean that you know them all. So you should be able to chose one, quote it here, and show how it does what you say.
     
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