Don’t Forget: New Hampshire Winner And Dem Frontrunner Bernie Sanders Has A Lot Of Crazy Plans

Wow, 1 min. 47 secs. of incomprehensible gibberish from the announcer; then he has a shot at confusing the word 'nationalism' with 'socialism, to fraudulently present "flip-flopping in the last five years" on Bernie's part.

Bernie DOES believe in an international rules based system, which implies modification of the concept of "ABSOLUTE national sovereignty", but not abolition of nation states themselves..
too nuanced a view for those nut jobs interviewing Sanders.

Hence the segue into National-Socialism, and ...you guessed it... the Nazi party and the announcer's totally incomprehensible garbage (feel free to explain to us what the nut job announcer's argument re Sanders really was);

and later when Sanders correctly:

1. criticizes a policy of international isolationism,
2. recognises the necessity to control immigration, because of the effects of mass immigration of poverty stricken people on the economy, and
3. promotes international institutions, to further global wellbeing,

we get more incomprehensible garbage from the nut job announcer;

At this stage I notice we are at 5 min 31. sec into the video.... I bailed out.

All in all, a disgraceful video presentation. Our democracies are indeed in a parlous state.

 

Which point are you referring to, specifically?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America"

Depends on interpretation I guess.

And the results so far?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/most-americans-dont-have-the-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

• Most people would be in a bind if they missed even one paycheck.
• Just 40 percent of Americans could pay an unexpected $1,000 expense, such as an emergency room visit or car repair, with their savings, according to a survey from Bankrate.

Not to mention DJ Trump himself, on conditions in the inner cities: "You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken...."

Still some work to do on "promoting the general welfare" …….

 

LOL!!!!

 

The reference was to the healthcare. You simply cannot compare multiple sovereign nations lumped together against a single nation and expect any level of accuracy. More so when the countries in question aren't even listed.

Promoting the general welfare never meant giving people free stuff. It was intended to provide a moderately safe environment where people were free to explore the opportunities the Founders created. There was always a risk, and individuals are responsible for themselves, it isn't and never was the government's job...

 

He has, they don’t get the votes. So it’s safe to vote for him.

 

Everything he provided was factual information and verifiable. Hes a comedian as well so if you sont like his delivery oh well. Hes starting how Bernie has been a flip flopper and that nothing is wrong with nationalism but there is with socialism.

 

Can you provide and links or detail of when he did try to pass any legislation along those lines?

 

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

 

Promoting...

Not providing.

 

We don't usually agree on things, but you are right. There is no such thing as "free" health care or education. The citizens of those European countries who have national health care or "free" education all pay for it. Any politician in the U.S. calling for "free" health care or education is being deceptive.

Yeah, Bernie has a little early momentum because of Iowa and New Hampshire. But that's only 2 states out of 50, and I think that momentum will shift to someone else in the coming months. That is, unless the Democrats want to see an election like Nixon-McGovern or Reagan-Mondale.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee. I think you may, in part, thank House Democrats for that. Another part is that I think a lot of people think he's too old and losing his mental acuity. And, he is like the 2016 "Jeb Bush" of the Democrats. He is a part of the entrenched establishment, and he has name recognition, but that's it. At least with Sanders and Warren, you can think of their agendas. What the heck is Joe's agenda? So no, I just don't think he'll be the nominee.

Warren seems to have lost her luster with voters.

Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Bloomberg are what's left.

 

Buttigieg will get destroyed. Contrary to what the left thinks the country will not elect a gay president anytime soon.

Bloomberg buying the nomination would be suicide for the democrat party.

 

Few are so naïve that they take every campaign promise literally.

When chronic liar Trump brayed that he would immediately repeal 'ObamaCare' and replace it with "something terrific!" that would cover "everybody!" at "less cost!", when he vowed to slash the national debt, when he raved that he would restore the nation's crumbling infrastructure, when he insisted that he would bring all US troops home from the disaster in Afghanistan, when he averred that he would restore the coal industry, etc., etc., etc., most folks knew he was blowing trumpery.

Will Sanders meticulously keep his every lofty aspiration to the letter? Of course not.

All presidential wishlists are circumscribed by the exigencies of office, legislative practicalities, etc.

In broad parameters, is it theoretically possible to provide quality medical coverage to all Americans at far lower cost? Of course. There are multiple examples of advanced nations doing just that. Are there parasitic profiteers who feed off the current US system who will lavishly support legislators who will do their bidding in vehemently opposing progress? Undoubtedly. You can't always get what you want.

Don't take any politician's promises literally. Most are not within their unilateral purview under our system of governance.

 

Yeah. Pete has ZERO Chance.

But, the idea that "Bloomberg buying the nomination would be suicide" is misguided.

Bloomberg may be the only chance that the Dems have at winning the general election.

The only 2 groups pushing the Misguided "Bloomberg would be suicide" Are:

1) Trump Supporters who are afraid that Bloomberg can beat Trump

2) Bernie Supporters who seem to think that threatening to sit out the election is going to move People away from Bloomberg.

EVENT: Bloomberg is the Candidate with the best chance to beat Trump

RW Take: "Bloomberg buying nomination would be suicide".

Tl;Dr--Trump is terrified of Bloomberg.

In Reality--A Sanders Nomination would be suicide for the Dems.

It would almost certainly cause the House flipping back to Republican.

"Bloomberg buying the nomination would be suicide"?

 

I'm not sure about what you said about Buttigieg's chances, and remember, Bloomberg is "not Trump", and so any of them have a chance. We'll see. It's interesting to watch this unfold.

 

Def not scared of Mike. He would alienate the base. The hardcore leftists would see him as not liberal enough. The blacks would probably sit out the election (not all of them obviously but a good chunk) because he’s not a POC which would doom the ticket below him and the “hate the rich” crowd would see him as an elitist who bought the democratic nomination over their guy sanders.

In truth I’m not concerned with any current democrat running. I only see two people with enough clout who could give trump a run for his money and only one with an outside shot to beat him. Michelle Obama and Oprah. Neither of which has any desire to participate.

 

You make some very good points.

In fact, a candidate like Michelle Obama might not be that far-fetched as a compromise reached at a brokered convention.

Sill, a long way from that.

I guess this is the way that I see it, as a Pragmatist and a Realist.

1) Barring a Brokered Convention--The Nominee will be Bernie, Bloomberg, or Biden.

2) A Sanders Nomination is a Non-Starter because it would affect down-ballot races in Swing Districts and cost the Dems the House (and any slim chance that they may have at retaking the Senate).

^That is a given. No way on Bernie.

3) Who has the least baggage between Bloomberg and Biden?

Obviously, Bloomberg has LESS Baggage and would (in spite of his faults) have a better chance in places like PA, MI, and WI.

4) The Bernie People will have No Choice but to vote for Bloomberg (should be get the Nom.)

Because, if they sit it out or vote 3rd Party (like a lot did in 2016) they will be (once again) handing the election to Trump.

That said, if they would rather have 4 more years of Trump (instead of Bloomberg),they certainly are free to vote against their interests.

The Secret Ballot is a beautiful thing.

 

You really think Buttigieg doesn't have a chance? I'm not so sure about that. Let me clarify .... I think he could win the nomination, but I can't predict how he would do against Trump.

And I do think Bernie's supporters are cult-like enough that they might not support Bloomberg if it appears that he "buys" the nomination, stealing it from their hero. The hardcore Bernie supporters might even vote for Trump out of spite, or they might just not vote at all, or they might vote third party. It's hard for me to picture going from supporting the socialist Bernie to the billionaire Bloomberg.

So where are we at now?

Biden - old, losing mental acuity, establishment, no definable agenda
Warren - losing badly in the first two primary states, comes off as a phony
Buttigieg - You say he has zero chance.
Sanders - You say that would be suicide, and I think his candidacy would insure a Trump win in November

Klobuchar? She's plenty liberal. She checks all the liberal boxes. She has experience. She's younger. I think she has likeability. Is she the one???

I will tell you from the perspective of one who is going to vote for Trump, a Klobuchar-Gabbard ticket is scary.

I would like your feedback, Andrew Jackson.

Seth

 

You’re not aware of his Medicare for all bill?

 

Feedback?

Anybody who the Dems Nominate Against Trump (literally ANYBODY) will have my vote.

Trump MUST be Defeated, and it is a BINARY Choice. Period.

I don't care if the nominee is Bernie, or Bloomberg, or Pete, or Amy, or Joe, or the Man in the Moon or Bat Boy or Katy Perry, or LeBron James.

I will vote for ANYBODY with a (D} next to their name.

Once again:

Trump MUST Go and it Will be a BINARY Choice. Period.

 

Andrew, I appreciate your honesty, but I could have told you that. I know you will vote for the one with the D by their name.

I'm not asking you who you'll vote for.

I'm asking you what you think the chances are for these various candidates.

I threw out some thoughts on all of them, and I was interested in your feedback on that, not who you're going to vote for.

Seth

 

I would say the above is a very fair assessment of the current situation. Dems have a terrible list of candidates to choose from this time. Frau Blücher wont make it past the primaries... At this point if I had to bet I would say Sanders or Bloomberg. Sanders will have the plurality of voters but Bloomberg will have the DNC.

 

Creating effective 30 second TV commercials highlighting “crazy Bernie” would be the easiest political job in American history.

 

Pete and Amy are competing for that same lane.

An "Anybody But Biden" Moderate Lane.

Neither of them have a realistic chance at the Nom.

They sort of cancel each other out.

If not for Amy's last-minute surge, Pete would've won NH.

Amy would be my preferred candidate of the ones left standing, but no one has the money to compete with Bloomberg.

Pete is only 38 and he will be viable for (at least) the next 7 Election cycles.

Obviously, being a Gay man is a hard hurdle for him to overcome among a certain kind of voter.

As far as the rest, I really don't have a problem with any of them.

I am still not giving up on Biden until he officially withdraws.

For Anti-Sanders Dems (who don't like Bloomberg) Biden might be their only hope.

I can wait for them to count the votes on Super Tuesday, before handing this to Bloomberg.

 

He is not called Crazy Bernie for nothing.

And what The Burn ignores is that the colleges (and not all) in Europe that don't charge tuition are far away from no tuition for all: Only select students are allowed to attend college.