Donald Trump threatens Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over 'planned new chemical attack'

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    I tried to be objective here, if you discredit Israel, US, Britain, France and I guess Germany and others because they have "intersts" so do Iran, Russia, Lebanon and Assad, I stick to my side because I trust our intel that had more succses than fails, you trust the other side based on what ?
    BOO !
     
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    Hyperbole on my part? All that I talk about is verifiable. But with assad these accusations from intel is how they have operated for a long, long time. When the truth comes out later on, I remember that, whereas some people seem to get amnesia.

    What we keep accusing assad of is so illogical, so irrational, that no one would ever believe it, who is capable of critical thinking. He would have to be a bumbling idiot to do what he is accused of. We have Hersh who reveals the facts, and MSM blacks him out. These ruses are so self evident, and yet you bring up the point that we should trust our own lying intel, over him, when what he is accused of is just nonsense. He has everything to lose, and yet acts like he wants to be taken down? No one in a right frame of mind would believe it. And, perhaps you should do some serious reading on the history of our CIA and what they have done over the years and the fact they are purveyors of disinformation, professional liars. They have a history of working on behalf of our big, rich and powerful capitalists. It just sounds like to me that so few people are well informed when it comes to our CIA. Yet the evidence is prolific in books written by experts, credible men over the years.

    There is no need for assad to use chemical weapons, especially when he with help is defeating isis, and stands a chance of retaining Syria as a sovereign nation. For the use of such weapons is a guarantee his time is over and Syria fails. We know some of the radicals have used gas, since assad was blamed for a gas attack in 2013. Do you keep up with this? Where did the radicals get gas? Yet it was reported in the NYT of this use by his enemies. You miss that? Then when Russia wanted us and them to investigate this last attack of gas, we refused. Why is that? Better keep the daylight off of these ruses? So we can continue to use them?

    It was not sarin in this last attack. Do you know you can make chlorine gas in your kitchen? Did you know that turkey could supply the real stuff? The total lack of hard evidence assad has used gas should concern you. I just don't think you have kept up with all of the info available about assad and gas. Yet it is available online. Even when MSM will black out anything but the propaganda known as the official story being fed to us. The evidence for that is overwhelming. This is important, and the truth cannot be found when info is blacked out. Why can't some of us see through this? Perhaps not everyone has critical thinking skills? That has to be it.
     
  3. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    When was Syria the "enemy side"? It seems that the only ones fighting Daesh, our real enemy, is Syria, Iran and Russia
     
  4. Gilos

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    There is much more than Daesh in Syria, "enemy" by intersts as it seems.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Daesh are the only enemy attacking the west.
     
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    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    Yea but are you objective enough to judge it fairly ? allowing Gadaffi to massacre his ppl would be the better outcome from your perspective today but I dont blame the west for trying to stop him back then.
    Could be a CIA secret plan to get rid of Assad only Obama already could have declared war on Syria but didnt even at the damage of crossing his own red line and that's not a simple matter. I dont think its crazy he would use chem weapons at all, he fights the residents of those cities - or else they would join him against ISIS, heck its what they say themselves after the bombings you cant call all those civilians ISIS.....
    You say say he got everything to lose - Im saying he got nothing to lose because the good option for him was to step down and the bad was to die. he has Russia at his side, he knows the US will not engage in another war in the ME let alone confront Russia and Iran, he cant hold his ground when the pop is against him (in those areas) so he gasses them - end of story, it fits the goals.

    You can argue he wont do it to his ppl but he is a dictator and he is used to oppress at least parts of his ppl with the secret police and we all saw how he dealt with Homes at the start of the war - so I think he is capable to poision them as well when cornered and 6 years of war with little progress fits that as well.
    No need to it when he fights scores of troops coming from the desert hills, but that's not his only front, he also fights the civlians in the cities that revolted and to that gas does help, it expands to a wide area and reaches places a normal bomb cannot, no more snipers.
    Its possible but I think its more possible he did use it and simply isnt scared of the US, Daesh are fanatic, if they were smart they wouldnt have fought the whole world head on so to blame them to frame Assad in order to get a war going in Syria - who's result they cannot guess btw (will the allies swarm Syria with their troops - how does that help them?) seems less likely to me.
     
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    Well I disagree with that statement as well, desperate hateful youth that swear alligance to Daesh a few days before they murder doesnt point the sole blame at the organization IMO but nvm that now, its not just the threat to the west that motivates it but genocide and atrocities as well, at least it should be. that IS the reason you hate Israel is it not ?
     
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    We have proof of the first attack, and we have shared it with the UN. What are you on about?

    If Assad does it again, he will find that Trump is not Barrack Obama. This slimy little dictator thinks we won't retaliate, but he is going to be SORELY mistaken if he launches chemical weapons on his own people again. Are there any nations in that region, that are lead by decent human beings?
     
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    Bent on, but not hell-bent on. Both the Israelis and the Sauds kinda appreciate the dirty work ISIL does for them, at the expense of yet another secular arabic regime, but supporting ISIL openly would be a bit hasty, in this day and age. And rightly so, as such support, even passive, could be seen as being accomplice in the terror acts ISIL took part in.

    I believe the plan is to hit Assad as soon as the ooposition to ISIL nears the end of their objective, so that, ideally, Assad will dissolve along with ISIL, and then a complacent autocratic figure will be "democratically elected" by the ME Disorder Coalition to serve as a puppet figurehead.

    I've been saying this for quite a while now - so don't ask for "proofs" because I am kind of a prophet, y'see. :bucktooth:
     
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    So why have'nt they till now ? why didnt Obama attack a few years ago when his red line was crossed ? what's the new casus beli that didnt exist a few years back ?
     
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    And here is another person who brings up Israel but then complains that Israel is brought up in a thread! Point out in any of my 7000 posts where I have ever wrote that I hate Israel. Your post is a sign of losing the argument and using the race card.
     
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    :shock: You're scary!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FFS let's leave Assad alone - we all know by now what happens to a country when the stupid West overthrows its dictator. Countries in that region NEED dictators for the greater good, haven't you noticed that?? Oh, and 'hell-bent on' is the superlative of 'bent on'!
     
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    Perhaps you should try to answer the questions or raise your own on topic instead of declaring victory as you run away.
     
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    Soon there will be a meeting of Putin and Trump. The US is trying to intimidate, but it only causes even more hatred for the United States.
     
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    Answer this question. Do you enjoy beating up your wife, yes or no?
     
  17. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    What ?? what kind of argument is that ?

    Let me know when you are ready to talk about Assad is you havent run off too far already.
     
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    Are you taking something? You brought up your pet subject that being Israel!
    Do you not bother to read your own posts? I notice you ignored my request for evidence in your claim about my thoughts on Israel. You have nothing and just changed the subject
     
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    For the slight chance of you actually being serious here, I did mention Israel in regard of concern to human rights, that's your concern to human rights of the Palestinians and your expectation of your Gov to do something about it, but you dont share the same concern to the Syrian and dont expect your Gov to act of behalf of the Syrian ppl that fights Assad - I asked you to solve it.

    How does me mentioning Israel relates to your question about beating my wife ????
     

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