Dr. Ben Carson Schools David Gregory on Slavery and Neo-Marxist Movement

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  1. glitch

    glitch Well-Known Member

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    Of course they do. Given a national platform to reinforce and expound upon a stated position, no one with any sense would hunker down and refuse to explain further.
     
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    It is not my own definition , i do not make terminology and you don't have to be a genius to understand that between Marx and "accommodating liberal democracies" there is chaos . Social democracy is a perversion of Marxism not an adaptation and Oxford dictionary can use better authors.
    Neo-nazis are old school Italian fascists carrying original nazi racism and a long knife for the "socialist" part.

    Again the term that you seek is revisionism , in Europe it was eurocommunism and it spawned a lot of parties that today are either social-democrats or greens .
    Oh and those revisionists you (falsely) call "neo-Marxists" were mainly of sociologists making sociological arguments .
     
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    And yet you once again fail to provide a single link that supports your notion that neo-marxism doesn't exist.


    Sounds like you're a purist when it comes to Marxism and don't like groups like the black liberation theologians taking elements of marxism and applying components of your marxism to their teachings. Sounds like your Marxist professor was a purist as well.

    I am a conservative and don't like the things that the neo-cons have done, but that doesn't mean that I deny that neo-conservatism exists.


    Revisionism is an acceptabe term, but I prefer the term neo-marxism as it is more widely recognized and understood.

    "seeking to incorporate principles of Marxist thought into modern political and economic systems "

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neo-marxist
     
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    My search gives 116.000.000 links for social-democracy you want a selection?

    Actually i am a revisionist myself but yeah i see the black liberation and other movements like it as BS .
    Marx's capacity for understanding sociology was somewhat limited so naturally most critics come from this field.
    Marxism is straightforward : the state has to go / bourgeoisie has to go , using any element that does not include those two as final goals is simply not Marxism .

    Neocons are the radical right and only an idiot would mix them up with traditional conservatives.

    I know it is kind of trivial for people without the European experience but i will try to make the explanation short :
    The center-left was invented for the sole reason of turf separation with the center-right , it has no ideological background, substance or purpose of existence , they are presenting themselves as "neo-Marxists" in the same way neocons are presenting themselves as classic conservatives . Blank state parties without any ideological compass are open and hiring self serving morons that political science never took a dump on them.

    I hope that you understand what i am saying .



    Revisionism is the scientific term, the other one as i already posted is a perversion .

    Indicating that Marx is no longer "modern" has far reaching implications that a sociologist can never understand .
     
  5. glitch

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    Has anyone ever denied that social-democracy exists? Your claim was "There is no such thing as 'neo-Marxism'." A claim that you have failed to support with a single link.


    And yet it attempts to incorporate principles of Marxist thought into their modern philosophical and religious systems, making it neo-marxist.


    Black Liberation Theology applies the Marxist principle of the conflict between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, and puts the neo spin on this teaching turning it to white's exploitation of blacks making this one of many examples of neo-marxism.


    Neo-cons are not radical right. In many areas they are quite liberal. For example, they pay little heed to the conservative concept of limited government. Regardless the principle stands, just because I disagree with many principles inherent within neo-conservativsim does not mean I believe there is no such thing.


    Many political scientists give them credence and they certainly have some clout. Just because you are hostile to what you consider a perversion of your cause does not mean "there is no such thing."


    The term neo-marxism speaks directly to Marx's influence on the political/social philosophy. Both these terms are used but have somewhat different applications. You have failed to link a single source supporting your contention that neo-marxism is invalid terminology.


    Marx's principles are commonly applied to modern situations - neo-marxism. Carson is absolutely correct in his terminology.


    "A term loosely applied to any social theory or sociological analysis which draws on the ideas of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but amends or extends these, usually by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions."

    http://www.markfoster.net/struc/nm.html
     
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    Social-democracy is what you call "neo-Marxism" ...only that it is not Marxism, you need a link? okay acquire and read this :Nicos Poulantzas, : State, Power, Socialism , it is a fine analysis of what social democracy is from a "Marxist perspective", you may learn something and finally stop using silly terminology .


    Making it revisionist ,religious systems in Marxism ... yeah sure !


    Under the same idea you can name Mao and Juche as "neo-Marxist" when they are not .

    Oh come on you deserve better , neocons are liberal when they are talking about the "liberation" of capitalism and their "social principles" are those that sell the best . The term neo-conservative gets the conservative part from their need to maintain socioeconomic status quo and the neo because it is overly liberal when it comes to the state meddling in capitalist affairs . They are indeed both neo and conservative while neo-Marxists" are not at all Marxists .



    READ THIS and note in how many countries social democrats are in coalition with christian democrats , if they are so eager to cooperate where is the defining line between those parties ? what separates them ?
    Are you familiar with post 2008 politics in Europe? both center left and center right have proven to be the same thing , i am not hostile this is reality.

    Those many political scientists can suck me off , academic research and artistic expression in Europe are financed by Brussels , asking them to state the obvious is like asking Hillary/Obama to speak against their bankster donors. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
    I am sorry to be that blunt but you Americans are living in lalaland where butt seks and weed are important political issues that define party lines ...seriously, grow up !


    What Marx's influence ? this must be a joke .
    To be neo-whatever you have to follow the basic principles of whatever , what influences and "different applications" those guys have ?
    I don't get why you are keep asking for links, "neo-Marxist" term is used only by philosophers and sociologists who do not mean what you think they do , besides that raw philosophy today has zero applications philosophers are known to make terms out of thin air .


    This is wrong , also Carson said :

    You don't use terms from sociology or philosophy to dictate economic policy , only an idiot like Carson could do that .


    Exactly , it is a non political made up term that has zero political applications .
     
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    Seriously dude, have you not heard of the Internet. This is not how you support an argument. This is just stupid.
     
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    Nice racism.....
     
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    It is a commonly used term, including among social scientists, that has a clear definition. It can be applied whenever principles of Marx are being applied to a modern scenario.

    I'm guessing you've never taken a communications class. The first thing they teach you is to know your audience. Caron's audience is not a college professor grading papers. His audience in this case was a mostly liberal TV crowd with a reasonable interest in politics. Using the term revisionist would be useless and misconstrued by most of this audience. It would have been bone-headed for Carson to use this term. Most of the audience knew exactly to what Carson referred when he used the term neo-marxist - it was the most acurate and best understood term for his audience. He used it precisely in accordance with the dictionary definition.
     
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    how does a word that doesn't exist have a definition?

    neo-Marxist
    Relating to forms of political philosophy which arise from the adaptation of Marxist thought to accommodate or confront modern issues such as the global economy, the capitalist welfare state, and the stability of liberal democracies.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/neo-Marxist
     
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    He could use social-democracy , it is a valid , political and widely acceptable term . There is enough literature on the subject for the politically illiterate and a way to not treat your audience like morons . The average American is familiar with social-democrats because they have one for president but instead Carson chose to use Marxism , a subject the vast majority of his nationals hold false assumptions of and add a highly controversial (or loose) "neo" from an unrelated discipline to color his speech .

    I do not expect collaborators of the rotten establishment to be honest but not all of us chew grass for living.
     
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    Any time the Republicans mount a "serious effort" to reform something, the DNC breaks out the dead grandma commercials. Scott Walker was on the receiving end of an epic temper tantrum from the hard left for trying to reform education in his state. Somehow, the doomsday scenarios painted by those neo-Marxist loafers never came to fruition, but we're supposed to ignore that, and all the other times leftist predictions failed to pan out.
     
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    Except "reconstruction" wasn't about civil rights, it was about politically and economically subjugating the southern states, which is consistent with the Marxist penchant for centralizing power.
     
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    This sounds amazingly similar to what the Democrats did with Obamacare.
     
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    The entire healthcare industry is massively regulated by the federal government. That's why it's so messed up.
     
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    It's just an American term that is applied to the apparent reemergence of Marxist beliefs in western countries.
     
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    Don't forget the part where the state confiscates the means of production... :smile:
     
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    This doctor may be the right guy to answer back to this Feminist tactic, of branding a person, and then discounting them thereafter by simply calling them that same name they made up.

    This is the Race Card, the Anti-gay Card, the Misogynous Card, the the "N" word Card, etc.
    The Right must fight this battle, where only half the actual situation is even mentioned.

    For instance, Climate Change focuses on whether it is actually happening, when the real discussion ought concern how collecting money in higher Taxes will do any good, and how those taxes ought be used to solve problems of the weather conditions predicted.
     
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    Can you name an industry that isn't regulated?

    Its was not messed up because of regulation, its was messed up because of lack of standards of care, cost and coverage, despite all those existing regulations.
     
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    How would that change the fact that our healthcare industry was already heavily regulated by the federal government before the wave of Obamacare regulations even showed up?

    In other words, all those healthcare regulations failed to solve the problems they were designed to solve, just like the morass of banking regulations failed to solve the problems in the banking sector. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
     
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    Aya an American term like say Caucasian ....

    Forget? haha i have quoted Engels so many times in this forum it is short of imprinted in my monitor :p
     
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    So saying Dr Carson is a brillian doctor, which is his profession, is racist?
     
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    "he is a slave to the RW propoganda machine. Ironic, don't you think?"

    No that part is... or did you forget you typed that?
     
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    He didn't say anything you want. He said running your own life. You knew that though.
     
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    Well, for instance,

    The regulation of the insurance industry was severely lacking.
    The tax regulations wrt employer insurance being turned into a replacement for salary was both long past its sell date and inflationary.
    The regulations wrt quality of care were almost non-existent and prompted all kinds of serial hospital admittances for the same health issue.
    The regulations wrt maximum markups for medical supplies were non-existent and resulted in huge variations in end user costs.

    etc. etc.


    Yes, which is why the ACA was created, to eliminate the nonsense regulations and impose more rational ones that serve the overall needs of the insurance industry, the medical practioners, medical suppliers, patients and taxpayers, while still maintaining the industry as for profit.

    As to the banking industry, it was clear to all that the existing regulations were insufficient to protect the public from crooks and scams by their supposedly trusted financial institutions, so more strict regulations and closer oversight were necessary. Not that the republicans haven't tried their best to gut the new ones.
     

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