Dr. Chaim Tejman deserves Origin of Life Prize.

Discussion in 'Science' started by DennisTate, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In my opinion he has laid the foundation for Theistic Evolutionary Theory
    which can greatly assist in bringing women up out of near slavery conditions in third world nations.


    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/gender/g1.htm







    .http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/book/life1.htm


    I truly am impressed by the results of this poll. Traditional Atheistic Evolutionary Theory is obsolete in my opinion..... and I am truly glad to see that many posters here on this forum feel the same way.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...lligence-begin-matter-fundamental-energy.html

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?


    The first Intelligence began in.....?
    Voters: 8. You have already voted on this poll .

    Carbon based life less than 5 billion years ago, on earth.
    3
    37.50%

    Carbon based life in outer space.
    1
    12.50%

    Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.
    4
    50.00%

    This is a new question that I am only now facing.
    0
    0%



     
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    there it is.......
     
  3. Econ4Every1

    Econ4Every1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Albert Einstein understood 100 years ago that matter and energy are two forms of the same thing. Calling something "energetic" matter is like saying "wet" water. Where is the insight?

    As far as referring to states of matter and energy with respect to gender, I don't what to say except, /facepalm.

    You are confused on this point. Evolution as a field of science has NOTHING to say on the origins of life. It only describes changes to organisms once life has been established.

    The misunderstanding comes from Darwin's "On the Origin of Species". This text says nothing about the start of life. The full name of the book was: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or on the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".

    The field that deals with where life began are called Abiogenesis.

    Here is the best video that offers a plausible possible explanation of the origin of life on this planet.



    Enjoy :)
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2018
    WillReadmore, Zhivago and DennisTate like this.
  4. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Dennis....You are either not well or playing the nut job. I refuse to believe you actually think this way in order to maintain respect.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    One of the reasons why I seem to almost obsess over this topic is that
    it seems to lay a foundation for INFINITE VALUATION OF HUMAN LIFE???!



    Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?


     
  6. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,488
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    My understanding is that the prize in question is for science, not religion.

    The work would have to pass multiple levels of review as a work of science.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  7. Econ4Every1

    Econ4Every1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Infinite valuation?

    I'm not even sure what that means...

    Why obsess over it?

    I'm not personally aware of a god, so I cannot speak to its emotional state.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  8. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am attempting to the best of my ability to set up a political and artistic conflict.........
    for right here in Nova Scotia, Canada that centres around the
    possibility that the town of Truro, N. S. may be in a position of
    special vulnerability to rising ocean levels. .... and therefore..... politicians in
    the Truro area should have a special responsibility to publicly discuss
    potential ways to address this threat.

    If my question on this seeming threat is valid......
    and the feedback that I have gotten back so far seems to verify
    my suspicion...... then there is a positive side to this because
    our being in a position of perhaps being especially vulnerable to rising ocean levels
    gives us a valid reason to attempt to compete with Mr. Al Gore's Carbon Tax
    or Cap and Trade plans that he promoted since doing his film "An Inconvenient Truth."


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...illion-dollar-problem.525406/#post-1068713597
    M. P. Bill Casey... President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

    Theoretically..... it is possible to address this potential threat by
    setting in motion a win - win - win - win -win plan to create a buffer zone......
    by LOWERING ocean levels by fifteen to thirty centi-meters through
    a plan for extremely large scale desalination of ocean water.

    One obvious possible location for Sorek II would be California!

    This video does a good job of summarizing why Truro, N. S. is in a unique position:

     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2018
  9. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We Nova Scotians are also in the middle of a conflict between the provincial government and
    the Nova Scotia Teachers Union and.......
    the proposed introduction of some variation on Theistic Evolutionary Theory to
    Nova Scotia's classrooms....... could set the stage for a whole new greatly increased
    valuation on human life...... and on the lives of animals......
    that could transform the Canadian.... then the North American and then the world economies.

    A psychological study was once done on why.... there seemed to be
    a higher level of enthusiasm for fraternities......
    that had more difficult initiation rituals???

    One logical conclusion that emerged out of the research was that if a frat member.....
    did something really difficult, such as find out how many Larsen wieners wide the Angus L. MacDonald Bridge was.....
    then after all that hard work in front of hundreds of cars while measuring.......
    then perhaps that Fraternity member would convince themselves that all that work was not for nothing.....
    by being especially enthusiastic about the Fraternity that was so difficult to join???

    This made me wonder that if......
    an off the scale intellect / intellects and / or Intellect / Intellects.....
    have learned..... and evolved... over infinite time in the past......
    in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy
    rather than in a form based on carbon.......then one would think that these
    intelligences would be extra emotional over their creation.......
    having worked on the creation for essentially infinite time in the past........

    ...... this.... leads us to the possibility that G-d......
    is in more trouble in a sense than all of us.....
    due to G-d CARING THE MOST????

    The possibility of a supreme Intelligence or Intelligences.....
    caring the most.... and being grieved over the problems that we humans
    get ourselves into......
    brings us to the possibility of us..... making life better for G-d......
    or in a sense... humans saving G-d.....
    by making better choices that cause our Creator / Creators......
    less anxiety?!

    2Kings 14:26
    "For the LORD saw the affliction of Israel, that it was very bitter: for there was not any shut up, nor any left, nor any helper for Israel."

    Nehemiah 9:9
    "And didst see the affliction of our fathers in Egypt, and heardest their cry by the Red sea;"

    Isaiah 63:9
    "In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old."
     
  10. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Tecoyah... are we within years or at least decades of creating
    an Artificial Intelligence that technically.... can think about many subjects
    faster and perhaps even more logically than most of us humans do?

    Yes we are!

    What will power the amazing thought processes within these A. I?

    I assume electricity flowing around within circuitry?

    From what I have read of Energy from Quantum Vacuum.... or more and more
    fundamental forms of energy as they would probably exist in higher invisible dimensions of
    space - time ... it seems that the most ancient forms of energy.......
    flow faster and more powerfully than electricity. This leads me to the conclusion
    that intelligence..... somewhat like we are proposing ourselves......
    would exist for nearly infinite time before.... the most recent major Big Bang event of
    13.72 billion or so years ago?!

    http://carbonbias.blogspot.ca/

    Here are some quotations on the basic ideas behind Grand Unified Theory and String Theory:
    If.... it is true that the most fundamental and most ancient forms of energy.......
    .....energy that would exist for something like infinite time before the most recent Big Bang event of 13.72 billion years or so ago...... was not only far beyond electricity...... but even beyond nuclear energy then....... GIVEN ESSENTIALLY INFINITE TIME TO EXIST......
    HOW COULD THAT ENERGY NOT form into some sort of circuitry that would resemble our proposed Artificial Intelligence?????

    And if....that fundamental energy was in basically two forms.....
    fundamental energy Super Strings and
    fundamental energy Super Waves.....
    then the evolution of two general thought and behaviour patterns does seem
    logical.......... masculine vs feminine.... as theorized by Dr. Chaim H. Tejman as quoted in post #1!

    An Ancient of Days the Father and....
    an Ancient of Days the Mother aka.. The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost.

    Could the Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost = God the Mother?
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2018
  11. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Combining scientific data with religious dogma cheapens both and makes everything you type worthless to anyone interested in either. Basically your "Theories" seem so deeply ingrained in fictional ignorance they are barely even laughable to me. Expecting A.I. to become God is not even a good Sci-Fi novel premise.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2018
    DennisTate likes this.
  12. Econ4Every1

    Econ4Every1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83

    Dennis, I do my best to pull you back down to planet earth, but you've got to help me my friend. What does any of that have to do with the questions I asked?
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2018
    DennisTate likes this.
  13. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In order to get people here in Nova Scotia to relate to
    the idea of making plans for one trillion USA petro-dollars......
    (which as you accurately have told me are indeed USA dollars)......

    I suspect I have to get them to begin to think that perhaps one human life......
    could have INFINITE value to an infinitely ancient Creator
    who has invested eternity in the past in planning and choreographing
    an essentially infinite number of Big Bang events........

    A Theistic Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse......
     
  14. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Jelly beans theory, pick the ones you prefer, leave the rest.
    You have a mind, right ?
     
  15. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,488
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not so sure that the list of projects that would be inspired by this "infinite value" idea would be to build a desalination plant for Californians.

    Economics does matter, as it affects what can get done.

    If sea level is the issue, I would suggest looking at what science is saying about sea level.

    If you're looking for people desperate for water, I'd note that CA is one of the more wealthy places on the globe and can probably take care of itself, whereas there are others who can't. For example, Israel is stealing the water rights of Palestinians. In fact, Israelis own significant portions of the Palestinian bank of the Jordan River as their ethnic cleansing has continued and they have considered forcing Palestinians to pay for desalinized water rather than use the Jordan River as they always have. After all, direct access to the Jordan River is cheaper water that Israeli occupiers want for themselves.
     
  16. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  17. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,773
    Likes Received:
    14,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dennis you read some strange things. Perhaps it entertains you. It wouldn't entertain me.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  18. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2016
    Messages:
    1,322
    Likes Received:
    300
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The woo woo is strong in this thread.
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  19. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    16,248
    Likes Received:
    3,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :roflol: Some things are just so ridiculous they get a response even when they don't deserve one
     
  20. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,773
    Likes Received:
    14,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Theistic Evolutionary Theory

    What?
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  21. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,488
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wondered about that, too.

    Maybe it is (or includes) intentional design ideas of god guiding evolution.

    That is, evolution is real, but it wouldn't really get us to where we are if god didn't help it out along the way.

    The guy who built the Creation Museum, debated Bill Nye, etc., suggests the ark was full of a special set of prototypical species that subsequently evolved at an explosive rate to give us what we have today!

    Maybe that's another kind of "theistic evolution theory".
     
  22. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,773
    Likes Received:
    14,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Natural selection is at the heart of our getting to where we are today. It operates consistently. Good characteristics are adopted by natural selection and bad ones die out.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2018
  23. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,488
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Amen.

    However, there are plenty of folks who believe that god twiddles the dna along the way in order to carry out his objectives.

    They even see humans as having been an objective of evolution!
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  24. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,773
    Likes Received:
    14,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No evidence of that. Not even a little. Pure faith and conjecture.
     
    WillReadmore likes this.
  25. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,491
    Likes Received:
    2,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    An infinitely ancient Intelligence or two or three evolved...... within fundamental or nearly
    fundamental energy.

    G-d creates angels and a Covering Cherub Lucifer... who embarks on a way of life
    other than harmony and love..............

    G-d resorts to drastic measures to set in motion a seven thousand year series of events that
    lay the foundation for a new type of life that will have the capability to even save fallen angels......
    Adam and Eve are created in Eden.

    Previous to the creation of angels though.... there were 7 spirits of G-d created.. .that may correspond with 14 Elohim.......
    who speak in Genesis 1:26 and 27.......

    Each human conceived may have a spark from one of these Elohim within us.......
    that gives us something resembling immortality.............
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2018

Share This Page