Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked -- for more than 3 hours

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked -- for more than 3 hours
By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent
Updated 10:02 PM ET, Wed October 13, 2021

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It bears repeating that no one should choose infection over vaccination. That is the concern many public health officials have had since the earliest days of the pandemic. If nothing else comes out of my conversation with Joe Rogan, I hope at least this point does. Far too many people have become severely ill and died, even after the effective vaccines became available. Just in the last three months, there have been more than 90,000 preventable Covid-19 deaths in the US among unvaccinated adults, according to a new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

... https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/health/sanjay-gupta-joe-rogan-experience/index.html​

The most important thing to do is save lives and get the pandemic under control, and we all have to do our part. Listen to credible, knowledgeable sources, not the kinds of people and outlets that claim the moon landings were faked and 9/11 was an inside job when they're not spreading vaccine misinformation.

Great article, by the way.

 

Right from the very beginnings of vaccination in China the idea was to somehow give you a milder more survivable form of the disease so your immune system could learn what it needed to defend against. Of course in the days of Edward Jenner they did not know about immune systems and how they work but they did know that having a survivable milder disease was preferable to death or permanent disability.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all

But even then there was resistance

 

The folly of people like Rogan is that they think if they are seemingly healthy, fit, and relatively young, that covid is harmless to them. The problem is, nobody can predict before they get it whether they will get a mild case, or one that puts them in the hospital or kills them. Since vaccinations became widespread, almost 100,000 people thought like Rogan, that they'll ride it out when they get it without vaccine, and that they will be fine. Now, they are dead. Do the anti-vaxxers learn from these deaths? Not a chance in hell. The only way they'll learn is if they are put on the ventilator themselves, and then it may be too late.

BTW: I commend Sanjay for staying calm and civil. I don't know if I would have had that much patience when talking to Rogan.

 

I like Rogan, watch him a lot, but he got the best Treatment he could with antibodies, that is not available to everyone

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033485152/joe-rogan-covid-ivermectin

"Rogan added that his treatments also included monoclonal antibodies, Z-pack antibiotics and a vitamin drip for "three days in a row.""

 

I’m curious if anyone has listened to the podcast?

 

It’s who you know in the medical profession. I know a couple people who received a third vaccination (booster) weeks before they were approved.

The way I understand Rogan’s height and weight he is clinically overweight/obese. So that coupled with a positive test qualifies him for monoclonal antibodies.

So yes, the antibodies are available to anyone like Rogan.

 

anyone that can afford them and has access to them

 

Rogan? Obese? How so?

 

They are “free” courtesy of the taxpayer to anyone not hospitalized over 65 years old or over 25 BMI who has been exposed to Covid or has a positive test. Also anyone with other comorbidities like kidney disease, diabetes etc.

 

Based on his height and weight. If you run the published numbers he’s a 30 BMI. Anything over 25 is overweight. That qualifies someone with mild Covid for monoclonal antibodies under current EUA.

 

Oops

 

have a link?

 

Now all we need is for the dear "Dr." to explain why he lied about Mr. Rogan . . .

 

Sanjay lied, openly during this discussion. His only purpose was to continue to spread misinformation and cause countless folks to continue to put themselves at risk for his vanity.

 

Always.
https://www.fda.gov/media/145610/download
And on cost.
https://combatcovid.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Outpatient-Cost-Coverage-072021.pdf

https://www.wbrc.com/2021/09/23/monoclonal-antibody-treatment-costs/

 

Ah. Someone who actually listened to the podcast. Good for you!

 

that is interesting, I knew a anti-vax couple that suffered from Covid for over a month really bad, wish I had known this to tell them to go in and get a free treatment

 

Do you understand that muscle weighs more than fat?

 

I’ve been pimping them on PF since June. Mostly get a bunch of hate and anger in response.

Most hospitals that have them, the people who answer the phones know nothing about them. You have to keep pressing and eventually someone in the hospital will have heard of them and admit they offer them.

 

Absolutely. But BMI is a straight weight to height ratio (in simple terms). Rogan is an animal and fit. I have not called him a fatty. I’ve correctly stated under EUA and the definition of BMI he is eligible for mAbs.

 

You called him 'obese'. He's not because that weight isn't fat its muscle. BMI is an incredibly generalized stat that is essentially useless when you're looking at a weightlifter who has packed their form with muscle rather than fat.

 

A monsterously false claim. Risk of harm from Covid for one segment of the population is lower than the risk of harm from the Vaccine - in the vast majority of regions around the globe .. won't generalize and say all. This risk is further decreased with proper treatment - from vitimins to ivermectin -- standard components of treatment kits given to people in many nations around the globe.

While this was the concern initially -- we now have numbers - and can calculate risk of harm - the onus on you of which is to calculate - to support your claim.

What risk of harm for a person without comorbidities - not Obese - not immune compromised (pneumonia succeptible) from Covid vs the risk of harm from the vax ?



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You're right. The claim that "risk of harm from Covid for one segment of the population is lower than the risk of harm from the Vaccine" is a monstrously false claim, and it's the kind of belief that is leading to so many preventable deaths right now.

 

Not what I said - this is your claim.. so back up this claim. What is the risk of death from covid vs risk of death from vax - for the segment of the population not obese/comorb/pneumonia succeptible.

Or have you not done the calculation ?

 

Who the frack IS Seth Rogan anyway? At least who is he that I should listen to him in re COVID survival protocols anyway?

I realize that we look to celebrities for almost ANYTHING nowadays but I generally like to follow Dr McCoy and "leave medicine to medical men"